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Ricky
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Dave W.
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 Posted - 07/30/2004 : 22:54:18 [Permalink]
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Dang. We appear to be slacking on our links to the Bad Astronomy Bulletin Board. And wow! they took coberst to pieces for his bit on Idealism for having an extremely bizarre definition of the word (something we all missed here). And he hasn't responded to the charges of plagiarism of Licoln at Gettysburg: the Words that Remade America in his Lincoln at Gettysburg thread over there.
Ricky, he might be improving, or it may be that coberst is just humoring us. Considering the inconsistencies between his words and actions, there's no telling what his motivations are for posting here (and at BABB, and Philosophy Forums, and Physics Forums, and Univeralists, and elsewhere). |
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coberst
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Posted - 07/31/2004 : 06:37:15 [Permalink]
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| I appreciate the audience! |
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coberst
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Posted - 07/31/2004 : 07:35:55 [Permalink]
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For those not familiar with C-SPAN: C-SPAN has a number of features, one feature is a morning call in show in which a guest “expert” talks briefly about a point and audience calls are taken. The expert replies to questions called in about the particular matter of the expert's expertise.
Let us imagine something similar in an Internet forum. A group of ‘experts' are prepared to respond to questioners who enter a question to the forum on a particular topic (ethics—stem cell research for example). After the expert has answered, the thread is ready game for any and all.
This certainly would have a very modest response in the beginning but perhaps it might develop. You gotta think big!
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N C More
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Posted - 07/31/2004 : 08:11:51 [Permalink]
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coberst said: quote:
I appreciate the audience!
Now, this says it all! |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/31/2004 : 18:06:47 [Permalink]
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coberst wrote:quote:
Let us imagine something similar in an Internet forum. A group of ‘experts' are prepared to respond to questioners who enter a question to the forum on a particular topic (ethics—stem cell research for example). After the expert has answered, the thread is ready game for any and all.
This is, more-or-less, the standard operating procedure here at the Skeptic Friends Network. We don't have many experts, but we do have plenty of able and willing researchers who teach themselves enough to answer most questions.
In other words, we don't really need to imagine any such thing. We've already got it.
And the Straight Dope Message Boards "General Questions" forum is explicitly that sort of forum. This is not a new idea. |
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coberst
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Posted - 08/01/2004 : 13:23:26 [Permalink]
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Dave
Your negative angel jumped right out there. Now your ego will fight any attempt you might make to flip-flop. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/01/2004 : 17:25:46 [Permalink]
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I'm being negative by saying that what you've just now imagined has already been acheived?
Just how would I flip-flop on this issue, anyway? By doing more of what I already do? It's not my ego which would fight that, but my paycheck.
And actually, it is your negative angel who's jumped out, demonstrated by your inability to do anything in that post but criticize me. Evidence of positive verbs or adjectives is completely lacking. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 02:04:37 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by coberst
Dave
Your negative angel jumped right out there. Now your ego will fight any attempt you might make to flip-flop.
What negative angle? |
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coberst
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 05:19:51 [Permalink]
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Dave
It seems to me there are six possible ways to react when encountering a new idea.
1 Noncommittal open mind
2 Noncommittal closed mind
3 Negative closed mind
4 Positive closed mind
5 Negative open mind
6 Positive open mind
I think that (1) is the best way, (3) is the worst way and (2) is the most common way.
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coberst
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 05:24:46 [Permalink]
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Dr Mabuse
Dave understands what a negative angel is. The negative angel is the automatic response many people make to a new idea before they have had time to understand it. The negative angel also comes out when the individual has studied the matter and found the idea to be unsound. So the negative angle can be used in both a positive or a negative situation. |
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SciFi Chick
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 05:41:44 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by coberst
Dave
It seems to me there are six possible ways to react when encountering a new idea.
1 Noncommittal open mind
2 Noncommittal closed mind
3 Negative closed mind
4 Positive closed mind
5 Negative open mind
6 Positive open mind
I think that (1) is the best way, (3) is the worst way and (2) is the most common way.
If you present a new idea, I'm certain Dave W will react appropriately, as we all will. However, you have yet to present a new idea.
Let me say this again. What you presented IS NOT A NEW IDEA!!! It already exists. For someone to tell you that something you wish for already exists IS NOT NEGATIVE!!! Learn to comprehend what you are reading!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Ricky
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coberst
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 06:35:03 [Permalink]
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| Of course, a new idea, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It appears to be human nature to do a turtle before they know what is going on. However, if one does a turtle while also doing a negative then one cannot later do a flip-flop because the ego will not permit it. Write this all down we may have an exam later. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 06:45:06 [Permalink]
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coberst wrote:quote:
It seems to me there are six possible ways to react when encountering a new idea.
When you present a new idea, I will make sure to point it out, coberst. My reaction, by the way, was clearly #6 on your list, but you - negatively - fail to recognize it as such. You are the one who has been exhibiting reaction #3, through intent, simple naïveté, or some other form of ignorance of the facts.quote:
Dave understands what a negative angel is. The negative angel is the automatic response many people make to a new idea before they have had time to understand it. The negative angel also comes out when the individual has studied the matter and found the idea to be unsound. So the negative angle can be used in both a positive or a negative situation.
Yeah, and I have quite a bit of experience with your "new idea," and find it works really well. Since that does not fit with your definition of a "negative angel," I must not have displayed a negative angel, right? Please retract your previous comments, "Your negative angel jumped right out there. Now your ego will fight any attempt you might make to flip-flop." They are inaccurate, and you know it, because you demonstrated how wrong those comments are. |
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