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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 08/26/2004 :  10:24:38  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/26/science/26climate.html?ei=5006&en=c21c01ca7e7ccf9d&ex=1094184000&partner=ALTAVISTA1&pagewanted=print&position=

Too little too late IMO

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini

BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 08/27/2004 :  05:12:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
Nevermind I guess, apparently Bush doesnt care what his own people tell him.

from BBCnews today...
Asked why the administration had changed its mind on the causes of global warming, Mr Bush replied: "Ah, we did? I don't think so."

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 08/28/2004 :  14:30:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
Maybe they let a science report through without checking to see if it said what they wanted it to say because Bush was too busy campaigning and missed it?

I'm being sarcastic so don't all you Republicans attack with the administration's value of science.
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furshur
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USA
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Posted - 09/01/2004 :  04:52:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message
Bush is always flip-flopping. I predict that Bush will flip-flop again and say that global warming is NOT due to greenhouse gases. I also predict that a certain Dr. James R Mahoney will be collecting unemployment very soon.



If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know.
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Ricky
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Posted - 09/01/2004 :  10:51:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
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Bush is always flip-flopping. I predict that Bush will flip-flop again and say that global warming is NOT due to greenhouse gases. I also predict that a certain Dr. James R Mahoney will be collecting unemployment very soon.


There is one thing I have always been wondering, why is flip-flopping used as a negative term? I mean, if new evidence comes in, wouldn't it only be right to change your position? Now of course, on global warming, the President should have changed his opinion long ago, but if he is in fact changing it now, how exactly is that negative?

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 09/01/2004 :  22:25:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
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Originally posted by Ricky


There is one thing I have always been wondering, why is flip-flopping used as a negative term? I mean, if new evidence comes in, wouldn't it only be right to change your position? Now of course, on global warming, the President should have changed his opinion long ago, but if he is in fact changing it now, how exactly is that negative?

Of course it really isn't a bad thing. But it's like any other marketing slogan, doesn't matter, just keep repeating it. Bush has flipped as much as anyone else. The latest Democratic ad is giving him a taste of his own medicine. They have clip after clip of Bush saying different things about the economic recovery.

And Bush had to backtrack yesterday. He said the war on terrorism wasn't winnable, then the very next day said it was. When confronted he made up a lame excuse that he meant it wouldn't be won by signing a surrender declaration or something like that.

Remember Clinton was supposedly a waffler? I have a game of Waffle that was a takeoff on that campaign slurry slogan.

The sad thing is people just assume it is bad because the slogan says so. There are just too many people that don't think much for themselves. I have made an effort to teach my son about marketing. But we need regular school curricula that educates about the techniques.

I'll never forget my surprise when at the completion of my first college degree we listened to a sales pitch in exchange for some money to party with. At the end, 4 women signed up like hypnotized zombies for several hundred dollars worth of china and pots and pans. It was such an obvious scam, the special price was only good if you signed up right then. I still shake my head thinking of it.
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Tim
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USA
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Posted - 09/02/2004 :  02:56:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Tim a Private Message
quote:
There is one thing I have always been wondering, why is flip-flopping used as a negative term? I mean, if new evidence comes in, wouldn't it only be right to change your position? Now of course, on global warming, the President should have changed his opinion long ago, but if he is in fact changing it now, how exactly is that negative?
I agree with the sentiment, Ricky. I don't get it either. Seems that Americans generally feel that their leader should be beyond learning. Or perhaps, they should already be one massive data bank equal to all human knowledge.

Maybe that's why our president never admits when he screwed up. Or, is that the hand of God?

"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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