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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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 Posted - 09/24/2004 : 17:56:30 [Permalink]
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Verlch:
I say your going to need trillions when I am done with the theory!!
Oh goodie! Verlch is personally going to prove that evolution doesn't happen! I'll tell you what. If Verlch can do that, I will believe in miracles. If it turns out that Verlch is the person who brings the theory down, I will get down on my knees and pray! I will know then that anything is possible. Go for it Verlch. Save me... |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/24/2004 : 18:11:29 [Permalink]
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I too, eagerly await the verlch-engineered debunking of all of the biological sciences.
Just think; HS students will no longer have to worry about butchering frogs. Their former teachers will join all of those scientists, who dedicated their lives to the study of evolutionary biology, on the poor farm because there will no longer be work for any of them.
Damn! My brother will have to move in with me!
Our friend verlch suffers many illusions. One of the main ones is that just saying something will make it true.
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verlch
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Posted - 09/24/2004 : 19:52:06 [Permalink]
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| Evolution is debunked. No proof, no nothing. Just hopfullness that creation didn't happen. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/24/2004 : 20:09:50 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
Evolution is debunked. No proof, no nothing.
No, you've got no proof that evolution has been debunked. Just hopefullness that it has been, and a complete failure to understand why it hasn't been.
Of course, it'd help if you tried to understand what evolution is in the first place. "Know thine enemy" and all. But all you "know" about evolution is a bunch of lies and oversimplifications which present together as a tangled mass of nonsense. That nonsense (your nonsense) has been debunked many times, but you cling to it as a life-line against the overwhelming tide of facts. Like bats being blind, for just one pitiful example.
And that example is a perfect demonstration of why quoting II Thes 2:11 and II Tim 4:3,4 in your signature is high hypocrisy. You believe a lie, verlch, a very strong delusion indeed, a complete fable. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 09/24/2004 : 20:11:24 [Permalink]
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Verlch:
Evolution is debunked. No proof, no nothing. Just hopfullness that creation didn't happen.
Sources?
By the way, evolution doesn't really address the question of creation. That notion is promoted by a few fundamentalist liars and their ignorant of science followers... |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2004 : 09:27:19 [Permalink]
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Verlch:
I say your going to need trillions when I am done with the theory!!
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Me:
Oh goodie! Verlch is personally going to prove that evolution doesn't happen!
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Verlch:
Evolution is debunked. No proof, no nothing. Just hopfullness that creation didn't happen.
So, That is your proof? How about some sources?
I have an idea. A task for you. Please get Kent Hovind or Duan Gish or any other creationist to debate with us in writing. You know, those creationists who provide you with your brilliant analyses of evolution. You don't count. You're just a blind follower of those liars. Plus, you are mostly incoherent. As far as I know they have refused all comers. What are they afraid of? I saw the Shermer/Hovind debate and I must say Hovind is as slick as he is wrong. A real crowd pleaser. So lets remove the crowd and have a dialog on a level playing field.
Ya know why these guys refuse to debate in writing? Because they know that without their obvious charisma and a barrage of bullshit, that time doesn't allow for the evolutionist rebut, they might not look as good to their target audience. (That would be you, Verlch.) In writing, the playing field is level and these expert debaters will have to actually defend their lies with supporting evidence. So far, they have refused to do that. They are apparently to cowardly to enter into a debate where there is time for the evolutionist to check the creationist "facts."
Ask them for us Verlch. If they really have anything, why would they refuse?
If they do refuse I will continue to view them as lying cowards with an empty hand. Liars for Christ. Their rational for lying? You tell me because I thought lying is a sin. I suppose they rationalize it away by thinking it's missionary work. Or they are just scam artists. Many people send the ICR and Hovind money to continue the good work they are doing. But I digress...
Get them to debate in writing Verlch. You will fail at that because those people you admire so know they will loose... |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/25/2004 : 12:30:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Evolution is debunked. No proof, no nothing. Just hopfullness that creation didn't happen.
My point -- saying it doesn't make it so -- is made. Thank you.
Yes Kil, please get one or more of those charletons in here! I especally want Hovind. :drool: :slobber:
Verlch is so easy he's no longer much fun.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/25/2004 : 14:39:35 [Permalink]
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I'd love to see a 1v1 debate in a forum like this. Hovind or one of the other hacks like him vs anyone.
But yeah, they will never agree, because they know their lies can't withstand the balance of an even field. |
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 09/25/2004 : 14:51:35 [Permalink]
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| Shucks. I wanted so much to watch it. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/25/2004 : 15:20:26 [Permalink]
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whats the point, you guys will calmly say eveything a creationist says is a lie. Then not offer any concrete proof. How is that a debate, he will be required to prove everything he says, and yet you will offer things like carbon dating and such.
It will be like the pro homosexual dude that said people are born with gayness. I don't think your born with it, its in the water. From all the bill control pills, estrogen in the eniviroment. Along with the fact its a choice in lifestyle. Evolutionist do the carbon dating and eliminate evidence that doesn't go with the 'Big Bang Theory'! Creationists simply point to the complexity of creation, use the bible we believe is Written by God through men. Therefore we believe in a Higer Power. End of Story.
We all have free will and we can excersise it. All men are created equal, and given Divine Authority for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness! Freedom to believe in God or not to. Only God can judge. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2004 : 16:34:16 [Permalink]
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Verlch:
whats the point, you guys will calmly say eveything a creationist says is a lie. Then not offer any concrete proof. How is that a debate, he will be required to prove everything he says, and yet you will offer things like carbon dating and such.
We would be just as obligated to back up, with evidence, any objections a creationist makes. If we offer radiometric dating, we will have to back that up with evidence that suggests that it can be trusted. Just like the creationist will have to back up the assertion that it can't be and not just get away with saying so, or making up some crap about why it can't be trusted. The creationist would be forced to use actual science to make his point or be called on it. Of course, that is why a lying coward like Hovind will never take part in a written debate. He will be deprived of his usual set of smoke and mirrors geared to impress people like you, Verlch. And, it would be in writing for everyone to see. And that is the point.
Were waiting...
By the way, I wouldn't expect this debate to take place here in the forum. Letters would work just fine. It won't ever happen though. Trust me...
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Verlch:
It will be like the pro homosexual dude that said people are born with gayness. I don't think your born with it, its in the water. From all the bill control pills, estrogen in the eniviroment. Along with the fact its a choice in lifestyle. Evolutionist do the carbon dating and eliminate evidence that doesn't go with the 'Big Bang Theory'! Creationists simply point to the complexity of creation, use the bible we believe is Written by God through men. Therefore we believe in a Higer Power. End of Story.
It's statements like this that show you to be the most singularly unqualified person to even speak about evolution I have ever seen. You are a toy to us Verlch. Our pet creationist/biggot to amuse those of us who actually take the time to answer you. You're entertainment. Go get the big guns, will you?
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Verlch:
We all have free will and we can excersise it. All men are created equal, and given Divine Authority for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness! Freedom to believe in God or not to. Only God can judge.
Of course, whether true or not, this has nothing to do with evolution...
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Siberia
SFN Addict
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Posted - 09/25/2004 : 16:48:44 [Permalink]
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It's statements like this that show you to be the most singularly unqualified person to even speak about evolution I have almost ever seen. You are a toy to us Verlch. Our pet creationist/biggot to amuse those of us who actually take the time to answer you. You're entertainment. Go get the big guns, will you?
At first, I wondered why he was still here (I saw the old topics). But I've long since realised why. It's amusing.
And I still wonder what the hell the Big Bang has to do with anything. Bullshit coming from people that don't know Physics enough to know why we don't feel the planet spin, or why clouds float - things I knew when I was 11. Unobservant people enough to not see it's the same feeling of being into a car. |
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/25/2004 : 17:12:56 [Permalink]
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Ver;ch, this is gibberish even by your standards.
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Originally posted by verlch
whats the point, you guys will calmly say eveything a creationist says is a lie. Then not offer any concrete proof. How is that a debate, he will be required to prove everything he says, and yet you will offer things like carbon dating and such.
It will be like the pro homosexual dude that said people are born with gayness. I don't think your born with it, its in the water. From all the bill control pills, estrogen in the eniviroment. Along with the fact its a choice in lifestyle. Evolutionist do the carbon dating and eliminate evidence that doesn't go with the 'Big Bang Theory'! Creationists simply point to the complexity of creation, use the bible we believe is Written by God through men. Therefore we believe in a Higer Power. End of Story.
We all have free will and we can excersise it. All men are created equal, and given Divine Authority for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness! Freedom to believe in God or not to. Only God can judge.
How many time has your clock been cleaned due to your unsupported statments? And your changing the subject? And do you recall how many references that I personally have given you? Not to mention all that others have posted. You've got a lot of damn' gall to make the claim that we don't support our statements!
Hell, most of what the creationist super-stars say are lies. Research them sometime and learn for yourself.
Where did you find that utter crap about homosexuals? Bill (birth?) control pills and estrogen in the enviorment? In the water? I'd like to see your references, or did you just make it up?
I'll leave the last paragraph alone 'cause I agree with much of it.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/25/2004 : 18:06:41 [Permalink]
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We all have free will and we can excersise it. All men are created equal, and given Divine Authority for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness! Freedom to believe in God or not to. Only God can judge.
Verlch, what you must understand is that we don't give a crap if you believe in a god. There are skeptics here who are theists, and we are perfectly fine with that. It is perfectly acceptable to be a theist and a skeptic, to be a theist and accept evolution as a fact.
I'm sorry, but you have been lied to. You have been told by your Creationist "friends" that you can't be both, you have to pick god or evolution. That is not true, both are equally compatible.
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Bullshit coming from people that don't know Physics enough to know why we don't feel the planet spin, or why clouds float - things I knew when I was 11.
I can't remember if it was on skeptictank or some Christian forum, but when I asked for evidence of god, someone said that (this is paraphrased) "The clouds are able to float on nothing. How is that possible? Only through God." I got a good laugh out of that one.
I would actually rather enjoy seeing Verlch in a public debate. It might just be embarrassing enough to either make him shut up, or best case, make him consider changing his position.
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Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/25/2004 : 18:18:46 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
Only God can judge.
Then who the hell are you to judge that everyone who both understands and accepts evolution is under Satanic influence? This is the biggest hypocrisy of all, that only God (and verlch!) can judge. |
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