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verlch
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 Posted - 09/25/2004 : 18:23:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
verlch wrote:quote:
Only God can judge.
Then who the hell are you to judge that everyone who both understands and accepts evolution is under Satanic influence? This is the biggest hypocrisy of all, that only God (and verlch!) can judge.
I'm not judging, I'm making a statement there pal. It makes sense to me, and I'm not afraid to tell anyone what I think. I'm not a feminist, I don't believe everyone should win. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Posted - 09/25/2004 : 19:13:52 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
I'm not judging, I'm making a statement there pal.
No, you've reached many conclusions - you said so yourself. Your "judgement" on these matters is inflexible.
Sorry, Ricky, I know you're trying to get back on track. It's tough, though, to avoid pointing out self-righteous judgemental asses who claim to not be judgemental. |
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filthy
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Posted - 09/25/2004 : 19:45:37 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
verlch wrote:quote:
Only God can judge.
Then who the hell are you to judge that everyone who both understands and accepts evolution is under Satanic influence? This is the biggest hypocrisy of all, that only God (and verlch!) can judge.
Now now, Dave. Make nice. 
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Ricky
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verlch
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Posted - 09/26/2004 : 13:41:58 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
verlch wrote:quote:
I'm not judging, I'm making a statement there pal.
No, you've reached many conclusions - you said so yourself. Your "judgement" on these matters is inflexible.
Sorry, Ricky, I know you're trying to get back on track. It's tough, though, to avoid pointing out self-righteous judgemental asses who claim to not be judgemental.
to avoid pointing out self-righteous judgemental asses who claim to not be judgemental.
Whoa, I would not say that to you or anybody else. That's not nice Dave!!! I just don't agree you all, no reason to take cheap shots, and I'm not afraid to express my personal thoughts and views. I think its good to not have everyone on the same page in a public form. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 09/26/2004 : 13:44:40 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by filthy
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
verlch wrote:quote:
Only God can judge.
Then who the hell are you to judge that everyone who both understands and accepts evolution is under Satanic influence? This is the biggest hypocrisy of all, that only God (and verlch!) can judge.
Now now, Dave. Make nice.
I don't think religion should be chatted about over here... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Siberia
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Posted - 09/26/2004 : 13:45:15 [Permalink]
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No. You'd rather just
a) Ignore us.
b) Damn us all to hell because we believe in logic and reason and you don't.
c) Pull another crazy idea out of your never-ending fairyland. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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verlch
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Posted - 09/26/2004 : 14:19:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
No. You'd rather just
a) Ignore us.
b) Damn us all to hell because we believe in logic and reason and you don't.
c) Pull another crazy idea out of your never-ending fairyland.
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Ricky
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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/26/2004 : 19:10:33 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
Whoa, I would not say that to you or anybody else.
Perhaps not, but there's plenty you will say.quote:
That's not nice Dave!!!
That's judgemental, verlch.quote:
I just don't agree you all, no reason to take cheap shots...
I've been pointing out your hypocrisy for months, why is it only now that it becomes a "cheap shot?"quote:
...and I'm not afraid to express my personal thoughts and views.
Nobody said you were afraid to. Perhaps "less than wise" to, but not afraid to.quote:
I think its good to not have everyone on the same page in a public form.
I do, too, but you're in a completely different section of the library.quote:
I don't think religion should be chatted about over here...
How can we avoid it? This is the Creation/Evolution folder, and Creationism is firmly based in religion, and nothing else. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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verlch
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Posted - 09/26/2004 : 21:51:34 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Ricky
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Whoa, I would not say that to you or anybody else. That's not nice Dave!!! I just don't agree you all, no reason to take cheap shots, and I'm not afraid to express my personal thoughts and views. I think its good to not have everyone on the same page in a public form.
Verlch, you can't act like a wolf and then turn into a sheep hoping no one to notice. We are not, "blind as bats". We know you pretty damn well and we know that you have your opinion and are not even open to other possibilites, let alone suggestions. You are not just expressing your personal view, you are saying we should all go to Hell because we disagree with your view.
Your free to believe what ever you want, I'm just expressing my personal view. I never said your going to hell. That's for God to decide. Personally I think hell is this earth and the Devil is the only one that will be punished for ever. Since he started all this. Besides what kind of God would punish his creation forever for not believing in Him. Just another tool the Devil uses to make God look like a monster. Nowhere in the Bible does it say there is a hell that humans go to if they reject the church. I think it was a scare tactic and it hurt the church more than it helped the church. Only God can judge. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 03:20:15 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by Dave W.
verlch wrote:quote:
Only God can judge.
Then who the hell are you to judge that everyone who both understands and accepts evolution is under Satanic influence? This is the biggest hypocrisy of all, that only God (and verlch!) can judge.
Now now, Dave. Make nice.
I don't think religion should be chatted about over here...
Why not? Why is religion not a legtiimate topic for skeptics to discuss? And is there any particular faith you'd like to not discuss (is that a sentence?).
I think it is an excellent topic due simply to there being so much and various of it. How many major religions are currently followed in the world today, each with at least some conflicting views? And how many minor ones such as Wicca? And how about the bastardation of Christianity as mixed with 'pagan' beliefs as practiced by the decendents of the Maya and other SA indians? Santeria, originating in Africa, migrating to Hati and elsewhere, and now firmly established in parts of the US, should not be discussed?
All of this, plus the fact that there is so much pure myth and magic, and often outright fraud, involved in virtually all of them is reason enough to attract skeptical attention. Surely, you agree.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Ricky
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Siberia
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Posted - 09/28/2004 : 15:37:58 [Permalink]
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Only God can judge.
Precisely. Meaning you can babble all you want, but you just can't know if Darwin was divinely inspired or not (looking from the fundie point of view), neither can you judge his work or any evolutionist's. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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