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Robb
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 Posted - 09/10/2004 : 11:43:10 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Ricky
At the skeptictimes.com forum, in a post, one of the users dared me to talk to them through aim. So, I did. May not be too interesting, it wasn't far off from the normal bigots, but anyways, here is the converstation that followed:
http://www.rshadarack.com/GayMarriageConvo.txt
I first had a problem with your definition of bigot: quote:
rshadarack (6:45:34 PM): (bigot, meaning that you think your right and everyone else is wrong, the term fits here)
Then I looked on dictionary.com and got this definition: quote:
intolerant person: somebody who has very strong opinions, especially on matters of politics, religion, or ethnicity, and refuses to accept different views
Is this to say that it does not matter how I treat a person? I will be a bigot if I do not agree with their morals or beleifs. Is this our definition now? Does it follow that:
I think homosexuality is wrong: I'm a bigot.
I think Islam is incorrect: I'm a bigot.
I think murderers are wrong: I'm a bigot.
Skeptics think that creationists are wrong: Skeptics are bigots.
This definition scares me a bit because it does not allow for how people are treated. It is saying to me that I must agree with what anybody else thinks or I will be labled a bigot. Where am I going wrong?
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 09/10/2004 : 12:10:40 [Permalink]
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Your going right, you are a bigot along with the rest of us.
A proper title would solve the problem, such as: Conversation with an anti-gay bigot.
Edit: No I am wrong because I would gladly hear proof of God and creation if only it existed. Robb would you change your positions on those subjects if presented the right info? If not then yes you are a bigot of _______. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Robb
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Posted - 09/10/2004 : 14:43:00 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Your going right, you are a bigot along with the rest of us.
A proper title would solve the problem, such as: Conversation with an anti-gay bigot.
Edit: No I am wrong because I would gladly hear proof of God and creation if only it existed. Robb would you change your positions on those subjects if presented the right info? If not then yes you are a bigot of _______.
Unless someone can prove to me that God is not real, I would not change alot of my positions. However I would not treat someone unlovingly that has different beliefs than mine. |
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Ricky
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Renae
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Posted - 09/10/2004 : 19:42:12 [Permalink]
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I think the stumbling block here is the word "wrong."
Murder is wrong, obviously. But whether homosexuality is wrong or not is debatable.
Only facts can be proven right or wrong. Everything else (everything...think about it) is interpretation, opinion, perspective, viewpoint, etc.
I can disagree, even vehemently, with someone's viewpoints; I can even be rock-solid sure of my own beliefs and opinions--all without being a bigot. Being sure of myself doesn't make me "right"; although it may make me an opinionated twit, I don't think it makes me a bigot.
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byhisgrace88
Formerly "creation88"
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Posted - 09/10/2004 : 20:17:13 [Permalink]
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I actually AM 16 years old. And I hope that even if you don't agree with me on most everything, that you consider me a rational, intelligent (relatively:) person.
My point is, the stereotype of teenagers portrayed in the media, is not the universal case. While sadly it is much of the main stream, it does not always have to be the case. I don't want to sound cocky, or as if I'm bragging, because I realise that I have MANY faults. But I have NEVER had a fight with my parents. I have obviously not done some things as cheerfully as I could have, or not been as respectful as I should have, but I have never slammed a door in the're face. I have never turned my back and walked away from them, and I certainly have never yelled at either of them.
I just wish that my fellow teens would realise what an incredible gift the're parents are. I love my parents more than anything in the world.
I hope that everyone can try to realise that it actually IS possible to enjoy you're teenagers, and have them enjoy you as well. The media tells you it's impossible, but it's not. It's really really not.
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Indeed, if we consider the unblushing promises of reward and the staggering nature of the rewards promised in the Gospels, it would seem that Our Lord finds our desire, not too strong, but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased.-- C.S. Lewis |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 09/11/2004 : 06:24:09 [Permalink]
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| creation what does that have to do with this conversation? Are you on the right thread? |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Ricky
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 09/11/2004 : 10:44:02 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Ricky
I think he is referring to the conversation that happened on the last page, where we were talking about teenagers and intelligence.
Renae, I don't think homosexuality is debatable as being right or wrong. Its a personal choice each of us makes. Is it wrong to like yellow over green? Is it wrong to like the same sex over the opposite sex?
You absolutely can not apply your likes and dislikes to other people. You can't just one day decide, "I hate green, so no one can ever draw in green from now on."
But that is your opinion, that homosexuality is a matter of taste. To others, it involves a conscious rejection of God's morality. Even what science has to say about homosexuality is fairly split down the middle, some suggesting a genetic component, others suggesting it's environmental--a learned trait. (That's relevant only because the Christian idea of sin requires choice, which homosexuality could not be if it were 100% genetic.) Whether you think it right or wrong, it quite clearly is debatable. Everything is debatable, including whether or not it's right to impose our moral beliefs upon others.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=bigot&x=0&y=0
bigot: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
Slightly different wording than the definition provided above. I think the key words are intolerance and prejudice, which is the difference that defines the word, as opposed to simply holding an opinion strongly.
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"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Ricky
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Skyhawk
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Posted - 09/11/2004 : 22:51:13 [Permalink]
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I'm 18 too! Damn it, I'm a bigot! All will bow to the views of me, the egotistic, suspicious, arrogant, shoplifting teenager!!! AHHAHA!!
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