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Starman- If you have something to say, you can benefit from making your post more readable.
Lapcus- given the fact that i respond to a large group of people...that is the simplest way...if not then im open for sugestions...
Starman- If you can't be bothered with writing in a readable format, why should I bother to read your posts.
Lapcus- Who said that I wanted you to read my post?....you act as if you are someone special that I must appease...If you dont want to read it...then dont...simple as that.
Starman- If you whine when offered advise you are probably not a person that have anything interesting to say anyway.
Lapcus- Ok...now *you* need to make *your* post more readable...for that honestly made no sense....but...I'll go easy on you since you are indeed from Sweden...im not sure if English is the primary laungage or not in sweden...Dr. Mubase seems to do ok....so i can see why you may have trouble following me.
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Gorgo- In an attempt to make sure the present band of criminals does not retain office, I voted for John Kerry (a new band of hopefully lesser criminals).
Lapcus- yea it is sadd that we have to vote for the lesser of the two evils....It seems that Bush is better suited for this war on terroism....If he stays another term...i believe that he will take the leash off the military and really get dirty.....I think that Bush understands that in order to beat a devil you have to become a devil yourself....and Bush does that well....I think that if granted another 4 year...that he will..."kill them all and let God sort them out"....literaly.
As far as Kerry...besides the war on terror...Kerry seems better suited for just about everything else......but that could mean nothing if america turns into what Isreal was before the wall was constructed...(constant terrorism attacks)...in that regards I would want a President who is willing to go in and get his hands blood...to wear the name of "the butcher" so that i can sleep at night....but then again....if Kerry were allowed to prove himself he might make a good "war chief".. and may indeed find a way to solve this terrorism problem without further bloodshed...time will tell....this vote seems loaded for bear...to say the least...I dont hope that some from of hope comes for yet the american people and our friends around the world.....Godspeed..
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 09:58:53 [Permalink]
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Lapcus, you have linked what amounts to a PR sheet for an island with no particulars as to the regulations of investment firms, and a forum.
We've got to do better than this, bro.
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 10:02:47 [Permalink]
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I might remind that Bush only gets his hands in blood by proxy. Kerry has been there and done that.
Which would rather follow into battle?
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 11:02:47 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by filthy
I might remind that Bush only gets his hands in blood by proxy. Kerry has been there and done that.
Which would rather follow into battle?
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 14:28:53 [Permalink]
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Lapcus wrote:quote:
Dave W.- You've got to be kidding me. Given what I just said above, you know for a fact that I am not trustworthy with whatever secret it is that you've got to tell me.
Lapcus- hahah....i know that you are too skeptical to believe me...but..I "wanted" you to say that...a simple mind game that you bought..hook line and sinker....you even used the word that i was hoping for.....I had thought that I would of had to extract it out of your statment and explain it...but no...i didnt have to...
Ah, okay, you were trolling. Got it. Smart move, that. Gee, I'm sooooo overwhelmed.quote:
...See for all you people out there who came to this place for advice....Dave W. said it best " I am not trustworthy with whatever secret it is that you've got to tell me. "
not trustworthy...... what more can be discribed of these people for your source of anything .....that would require guidance...althought you cant see thier life style....consider this in your suroundings...when you meet a skeptic that gives you advice...exammine his/her lifestyle and ask yourself "do i want to live like he/she lives?" Just something for the 100s of people that are watching this fourm to think about....
Yeah, along with the fact that the "not trustworthy" remark was qualified by saying I wouldn't be trustworthy with whatever secret you had to offer. Surely you could have guessed that I would only have emailed you in order to post whatever it was you wanted to tell me.quote:
Lapcus- well no one has got a gun to your head....you can just accept your intellectual defeat and stop posting in this forum....that is my "suggestion" to you
Actually, keeping my eye on this folder and others is part of my job here on the Skeptic Friends Network.quote:
Lapcus- well i had to come down on the skeptics level in order to beat you all at your "own game"...you may dissagree but dozens of people believe that i have beat you at your own games....
What games are those, precisely?quote:
one more time... (excluding member deposits)
now...do you know what that means
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 14:56:21 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by lapcus
Lapcus- not everything is kept secret, If you would just go look you would find. what is revealed. Dont get me wrong...you wont find the names of all the workers , and this addresses and their phone numbers and what they all do on sundays. But there is some basic info out there. But besides that....why does that matter? Even if you had this info it still would not satisfy you. Enron was in the USA and all that info was made public and they still were a scam. So what does that info matter??
This sort of response is exactly what one would expect from a scammer. "Why do you need transparency? I've provided "basic info." Besides, legit companies can swindle you out of money too!"
Yeah, but how much longer could Enron have gone on taking people's money if there weren't watchdog agencies who were able to go over their books? Enron bilked people over the course of about 24 months. Without having to to answer to any sort of federal agency, it could have gone on years. Just like PIPS, in fact.
I liked your little story on Moses as well. Way to compare financial investing to religious faith. That should inspire the proper confidence.
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 15:49:34 [Permalink]
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Excelllent article, Incognitus.
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Originally posted by Incognitus
Conclusion and Prediction
PIPS is a Ponzi scheme and it will blow up in less than a year, possibly much less. Bryan will either disappear or face justice. Many members in other countries will have problems with justice for having promoted this activity through their own websites.
I hope you're right and that he faces justice. Too many times the guilty slip away unpunished to enjoy the spoils of their crimes.
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lapcus
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 17:24:12 [Permalink]
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here we go again
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filthy- Lapcus, you have linked what amounts to a PR sheet for an island with no particulars as to the regulations of investment firms, and a forum.
Lapcus- ummm...forgive me but im still sleepy....are you talking about the comment about the president or are you talking about 1 or all of the links i sent you?? If you are talking about the links...then I will force you to read them in order to make an arugement....If you have a problem with the links....then which one?...give me a qoute or a section out of the one(s) that you have a problem with?
filthy- We've got to do better than this, bro.
Lapcus- I will again qoute you from earlier...
"filthy- If you want to convince anyone, put forth the prospectus, governing regulations, history, and list of officers, or failing that, tell us where we can find them for ourselves. "
Besides the Prospectus Ive sent you links were you can find the info yourself....i spoon fed Ricky...im not doing it to anyone else...look for it yourself...its there. And besides like i said im not here to convince anyone....i provided you with a way to find the info for youself.....Convincing you of anything was not in my objectives...
filthy- I might remind that Bush only gets his hands in blood by proxy. Kerry has been there and done that.
Which would rather follow into battle?
Lapcus- Giving what ive read about Kerry's Military history being shady....That notwithstanding....i agree at least he did goto the military..... The thing is though....which president will get their hands bloody now?....Which president will not be swayed by public opinion and become the "sadist" in order to win this war? In this war "somebody" is gonna have to be on the pedistal and be pointed at by people saying "look ..there is the bad guy".....Now Bush has shown that he is willing to take up that mantel if it means winning the war.....would Kerry sacrifice his "good guy" image in order to win this war?.....that would or will remain to be seen...
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Dave W.- Ah, okay, you were trolling. Got it. Smart move, that. Gee, I'm sooooo overwhelmed.
Lapcus- from those words i cant tell if that was sarcasm or jealousy....lol 
Dave W.- Yeah, along with the fact that the "not trustworthy" remark was qualified by saying I wouldn't be trustworthy with whatever secret you had to offer. Surely you could have guessed that I would only have emailed you in order to post whatever it was you wanted to tell me.
Lapcus- yes ..honestly i never planned on sending you anything...becuase i knew you would share the info...it was a mental tactic (mind game if you will)....i still want people to look at the staff with the snake on it here...but i fear that i may have messed that up myself with my post with Ricky....Ive been cool and calm in the forum..with nothing really making me angry except what humbert said long ago...being unfair...and what Ricky said in his last post...in that moment I posted on the forum what i said i would only do in email...ugg.....maybe that was a part of Rickys plan....if it was....congrats Ricky you have bested me in that regards..bravo
Dave W.- Actually, keeping my eye on this folder and others is part of my job here on the Skeptic Friends Network.
Lapcus- Ahh you are actualy a moderator....hmmm...if that is the case then why dont you just boot me out of here like other forum moderators would have done when someone comes in and challenges the main stream of thought?? Either you have a high tolorence level or you are acutaly "fair and unbias" ....if that is so then I apologize for calling you "bias"
Dave W.- What games are those, precisely?
Lapcus- the example that comes to mind is this....remeber athiest argure...that it is up to the "believer" to prove that God exist...not the athiest to prove that God doesnt exist....
Well with this debate...ive notice simlilarities between how the skeptics in this forum debate and atheist Debate....thats why i made references liken you skeptics to atheist before......but that way of debating doesnt work in this matter....because we are not talking about God here...we are talking about a company that can be proven to exist....no one in here doubts the existance of PIPSs....but what is doubted is the legitamacy of PIPS.....
With that being said then it is not my responsibliity to prove to anyone that PIPS its legit....in fact many times i have use that against you and other skeptics...in so many words i have said "prove to *me* that this isnt legit" ...im able to do that because of the blatant statements some of you made .....claiming to have no doubt and wagering left nuts saying that PIPS isnt legit.....
....understand??
Dave W.- Sounds to me like the 2% is coming from the money other people are putting in. In which case, it'll collapse as soon as people put too little money in each day, 'cause the company's net worth certainly isn't growing fast enough to cover any disaster.
Lapcus- remeber what i said in last post....60% of the funds PIPS has is their money...not members money.....and thier funds are growing at 17% every month.......not counting members growth to reinvestments and new members adding funds...IF PIPS is indeed paying out around 1 million a day in cash...then if it was a Ponzi it would have collapse long ago..
but all and all....i noticed that you didnt want to challenge me on a qoute you made before...
"Dave W.- I don't think anyone here has told anyone else to reject PIPS, just to be extremely wary of it. If you understand the difference, you'll admit to your hyperbole. If you don't see a difference, then you'll admit to your own prejudice.
Lapcus- GAAAHHH!!!!... please dont make me drag up previous post and show you and the whole forum...dont play stupid....If you still object then I will pull up as many of these post as i can and show you. So dont even post such a lilly white lie and try to make the skeptics of this room appear like "little innocent people"...."
This tells me that either 1. you've seen the examples yourself and have chose to manuver away from it....or 2. you forgot about this..or didnt read it....which one is it?
Hey in battles of the minds its in good spirit to give credit were credit is due....i think That you should tell everyone that you are wrong on this and retract that statment... If you are fair then you must...or you must defend what you said.....im waiting....
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H. Humbert- This sort of response is exactly what one would expect from a scammer. "Why do you need transparency? I've provided "basic info." Besides, legit companies can swindle you out of money too!"
Yeah, but how much longer could Enron have gone on taking people's money if there weren't watchdog agencies who were able to go over their books? Enron bilked people over the course of about 24 months. Without having to to answer to any sort of federal agency, it could have gone on years. Just like PIPS, in fact.
Lapcus- 24 months....2 years is all a scammer needs....and did you catch what you just said???....
"H. Humbert- Besides, legit companies can swindle you out of money too!"
Lapcus- DO YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU JUST SAID?!?!?!?!?!?
DO YOU!!!??? I dont think i even need to say anything here....any thinking person can realized that you just shot yourself in the foot with that statment......you've done your own self in....I can do no more..dont even post here any more..."looks to Dave W.": "your honor....I rest my case....."
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filthy
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 17:38:42 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Incognitus
Here's my take on this, and why I think it's a Ponzi ...
http://www.thinkfn.com/artigo.php?id=105
Mercy sakes! I see that I was thinking too small. This one is a doozy.
Thanks Incognitus, and welcome to SFN.
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filthy
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 17:51:02 [Permalink]
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Lapcus- ummm...forgive me but im still sleepy....are you talking about the comment about the president or are you talking about 1 or all of the links i sent you?? If you are talking about the links...then I will force you to read them in order to make an arugement....If you have a problem with the links....then which one?...give me a qoute or a section out of the one(s) that you have a problem with?
The whole fucking thing! None of it even resembles what I asked for. No particulars on the first one and 'hooray-fer-we'ns' on the other two.
You're trying to bullshit us. Now come up with what I asked for, if you can. Me, I doubt if I'll ever see it, only more of the same, so I'll keep my shovel handy.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 18:46:09 [Permalink]
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lapcus wrote:quote:
Lapcus- from those words i cant tell if that was sarcasm or jealousy....lol
Well, I'll just let you keep guessing, then.quote:
Lapcus- yes ..honestly i never planned on sending you anything...becuase i knew you would share the info...it was a mental tactic (mind game if you will)....i still want people to look at the staff with the snake on it here...but i fear that i may have messed that up myself with my post with Ricky....Ive been cool and calm in the forum..with nothing really making me angry except what humbert said long ago...being unfair...and what Ricky said in his last post...in that moment I posted on the forum what i said i would only do in email...ugg.....maybe that was a part of Rickys plan....if it was....congrats Ricky you have bested me in that regards..bravo
Ah, okay, so you made the offer wholly in bad faith. That means that "trustworthy" isn't an adjective one should use to characterize you, either.quote:
Lapcus- Ahh you are actualy a moderator....hmmm...if that is the case then why dont you just boot me out of here like other forum moderators would have done when someone comes in and challenges the main stream of thought?? Either you have a high tolorence level or you are acutaly "fair and unbias" ....if that is so then I apologize for calling you "bias"
The philosophy of this forum is that if you can make your case, using solid evidence and sound logic, you win. Otherwise, you lose, and we're quite happy to let everyone see you fail. Such failues provide object lessons in critical thought which can be used to promote the subject. Your lack of evidence for your position is the most-common failure of argument I've run across.quote:
Lapcus- the example that comes to mind is this....remeber athiest argure...that it is up to the "believer" to prove that God exist...not the athiest to prove that God doesnt exist....
Well with this debate...ive notice simlilarities between how the skeptics in this forum debate and atheist Debate....thats why i made references liken you skeptics to atheist before......but that way of debating doesnt work in this matter....because we are not talking about God here...we are talking about a company that can be proven to exist....no one in here doubts the existance of PIPSs....but what is doubted is the legitamacy of PIPS.....
With that being said then it is not my responsibliity to prove to anyone that PIPS its legit....in fact many times i have use that against you and other skeptics...in so many words i have said "prove to *me* that this isnt legit" ...im able to do that because of the blatant statements some of you made .....claiming to have no doubt and wagering left nuts saying that PIPS isnt legit.....
....understand??
Oh, I understand that you think you're correct in this logic, but you're not. The simple matter is that you're the default "spokesman for PIPS" here right now. If you make a positive claim that PIPS is legitimate, you should have evidence to back that position, or you're going to get called on it. Because neither you nor anyone else has provided such evidence, it leaves us free to wager all the testicles we've got.
It is not our responsibility to "disprove" PIPS, which is why you'll find statements like "PIPS looks like a Ponzi" or "I'll bet it's fake," but no (or very few) definitive statements that it is a scam, as that would itself be a positive claim, subject to evidence. You've already heard the evidence why PIPS looks like an underhanded scheme, and your further attempts at playing the game correctly look pretty bad.quote:
Lapcus- remeber what i said in last post....60% of the funds PIPS has is their money...not members money.....and thier funds are growing at 17% every month.......not counting members growth to reinvestments and new members adding funds...IF PIPS is indeed paying out around 1 million a day in cash...then if it was a Ponzi it would have collapse long ago..
And it's been around for how long? When did the 2% program start?quote:
This tells me that either 1. you've seen the examples yourself and have chose to manuver away from it....or 2. you forgot about this..or didnt read it....which one is it?
Hey in battles of the minds its in good spirit to give credit were credit is due....i think That you should tell everyone that you are wrong on this and retract that statment... If you are fair then you must...or you must defend what you said.....im waiting....
Okay, you like playing games? Fine. Here are the instances in this thread in which the word "reject" has been used in an original utterance (not a quote of someone else):Lapcus- YOU MEAN YOU DIDNT READ AND STUDY THIS BEFORE YOU POSTED IT??!?!?!?!.....why am I not surpirsed...this proves my whole point.
This qoute says it all.
"The highest form of ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about".....nuff said
Lapcus- but where does "skepticsim" end and "out right defiance" begin? Ive encounted this before with Atheist who shout " THERE IS NO GOOOOOODDDDDDD" and then they would say "prove it" ...you show the proof enought to make one think ..at least..and they reject it....unless proof is on "their time and their terms" then they wont believe....even if God Himself came down and pimp smacked them .... more than likley they would still say "thats not good enough...i need more proof than that...prove to me you are God?"
Lapcus- yes it errks me that people say bad things about something that they know nothing about. There is a qoute that fits this best: "The highest form of ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about". What errks me the most is not the fact that *you* reject it...its the fact that you and others have tried to tell "others" to reject it...to try to "spread" your "tainted/jaded" way of thinking around to infect others with your way of thinking.
Lapcus- I bothers me not...they asked for facts...i gave them facts...thats all that i said i would do. I said i wasnt here to "convince" anyone of anything. I sent them facts and they rejected those facts....thats their problem....not mine.
Dave W.: I don't think anyone here has told anyone else to reject PIPS, just to be extremely wary of it. If you understand the difference, you'll admit to your hyperbole. If you don't see a difference, then you'll admit to your own prejudice.
Lapcus- again...i said i would send you "facts" not Not NOT attempt to convince you and your unconvici |
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heeeree we go again
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filthy- The whole fucking thing! None of it even resembles what I asked for. No particulars on the first one and 'hooray-fer-we'ns' on the other two.
You're trying to bullshit us. Now come up with what I asked for, if you can. Me, I doubt if I'll ever see it, only more of the same, so I'll keep my shovel handy.
Lapcus- what you just said tells me that you didnt even read what was in the links......let alone click on them....
Until you come up with intellegent objections to what i posted to your questions (specitficy statments..which requires you to read it)...then i am just going to ingore you from now on out. I dont have time to play kiddy games with you.
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Dave W.- Ah, okay, so you made the offer wholly in bad faith. That means that "trustworthy" isn't an adjective one should use to characterize you, either.
Lapcus- you do it...so why can't I?....remeber Im playing the "game" on "your" terms and will beat you at your own game.
Dave W.- The philosophy of this forum is that if you can make your case, using solid evidence and sound logic, you win. Otherwise, you lose, and we're quite happy to let everyone see you fail. Such failues provide object lessons in critical thought which can be used to promote the subject. Your lack of evidence for your position is the most-common failure of argument I've run across.
Lapcus- Lets talk about the evidence i have put forth and your wholly rejection and refusal to even look into it....( yea im painting with a broad brush) .....as far as you being happy with me failing.....well do you see the 5000+ views to this forum?.....alot of those viewers say otherwise...they say that im making you all look foolish....by thier standards im winning.
Dave W.- Oh, I understand that you think you're correct in this logic, but you're not. The simple matter is that you're the default "spokesman for PIPS" here right now. If you make a positive claim that PIPS is legitimate, you should have evidence to back that position, or you're going to get called on it. Because neither you nor anyone else has provided such evidence, it leaves us free to wager all the testicles we've got.
Lapcus- first off im not a spokesman for PIPS and second of all I have sent evedience and you all blindly and willingly ingore it....funny thing is....no one has sent any evidence that PIPS is not legit....only hearsay...uneducated speculation...gut feelings and wishful thinking....
Dave W.- It is not our responsibility to "disprove" PIPS, which is why you'll find statements like "PIPS looks like a Ponzi" or "I'll bet it's fake," but no (or very few) definitive statements that it is a scam, as that would itself be a positive claim, subject to evidence. You've already heard the evidence why PIPS looks like an underhanded scheme, and your further attempts at playing the game correctly look pretty bad.
Lapcus- see what you said...
"Dave W.- but no (or very few) definitive statements that it is a scam, as that would itself be a positive claim, subject to evidence."
this is the best you can do to retract your previous statment??
come clean man...come clean....
Im up to making over $1800 a week now.....since I am making serious money from this....id say yes it is up to you to prove to me that the money im making is fake...and from a scam....
Dave W.- And it's been around for how long? When did the 2% program
start?
Lapcus- Ive said how long its been around a few times...and posted links to it....i know how long it has been in existance....but...im not going to tell you....get off your lazy buttocks and go find it out for yourself...I am not going to spoon feed you...
Dave W.- Okay, you like playing games? Fine. Here are the instances in this thread in which the word "reject" has been used in an original utterance (not a quote of someone else):
Lapcus- and your point is?? I didnt come here and tell people not to invest....since you have dubed me the "spokes person of PIPS" i can use the word "reject" as much as i want....its certianly not in referance to telling people to "reject" something that they know nothing about.
Dave W.- And so we can see that the only time anyone but you, lapcus, has used the word "reject" is me, in response to you.
Lapcus- dont play stupid ..the word "reject" is not on trial here...its telling people to "reject" something that was the heart of my argument...shall a use a different word then....how about .."not invest"...or "don't send then nothing" .....
Dave W.- So, as I said to you, I don't think anyone here has told anyone to reject PIPS
Lapcus- are you sure??...you have said "I don't think "
Have manuvered and weaved threw this debate...like a politician you have danced around..from one subject to another.....when someone calls you on it...you change the subject or change to something else to throw me off course. ..example...those posting of me saying the word "reject"...that proved nothing..and was a ploy to distract me from pinning your "left nut" to the wall.
I can make post too from you.....
qoutes from Dave W.-
"Ah, okay, you were trolling. Got it. Smart move, that. Gee, I'm sooooo overwhelmed.
$495,807,926,420,087,785,122 and 80.2 cents. That's nearly 500 quintillion dollars in the U.S., about 270 million billion pounds, around 389 quintillion Euros or nearly 53
By the way, by my calculations, a $100 thousand initial investment becomes larger than the estimated GWP after just 1,013 days,"
See!!!! all of this proves that YOU do the Cha Cha like a sissy....you like to ....do....the ....Cha Cha
.....Ok...ill let you sqwirm out of this..and break off from my attack....i have bigger fish to fri at the moment.
which brings me too......Incognitus
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Incognitus- Here's my take on this, and why I think it's a Ponzi ...
http://www.thinkfn.com/artigo.php?id=105
Lapcus- it seems that you can't be more right on this when you say "Here's my take on this"
I noticed something at the bottom of that site.
this......
You can reach me at incognitus@thinkfn.com. Any information or interesting questions are welcome.
And here it is...im thinking that this is some expert speaking..when its in fact "your words" "your post" "your explanation"...had me going for a sec...i had thought this was a source that you found....not that you made that source and would post it like it was a 3rd party....sadd
Ill qoute something from the forum that he has come from...that was said in response to this link he posted....
"Just prove that article moron...."
"Assumption. Speculation. No cold facts so surely it must be a Ponzi. That's right, anything that can't be figured out must be bad. It's human nature not to trust.
"You didn't mention anything about the ELEVEN companies in the Pure Investor portfolio. Do some more research."
"WOW the only people even reading your stupid site are you and PIPS forum members simply because you posted the link. Maybe you should find another profession because you have a lot of speculation and no FACTS.
Get em strait buddy...Here are a few to get you started seems how you need a hand... "
"I don't mean to be rude Incognitus...
But tell them to suck my dick...
All I've concerning to PIPS is based outside of Portugal, so they can grab me by my balls...
I don't give a damn to CMVM"
you can see the rest of this at this link http://www.thinkfn.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=368
you should have consulted with Valiant dan |
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PIPS-PureInvestor
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 20:45:26 [Permalink]
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Greetings,
I know, this is the skeptics corner, but in doing a search, I happened upon this PIPS-PureInvestor.com topic and I could not resist posting. First, it is great to be skeptic, but I can tell you from years of experience as a risk taker and gambler, the only ones who become wealthy are those who take the calculated risks. Not everyone is a risk taker, I agree, and I have great respect for being skeptical, but what all skeptics are is uninformed, or worse, someone who got burned once and who is now slanted.
Yes, I am a skeptic until I do my due diligence, but once I have, I will take the calculated risks it takes to make it is this world. No risk, no reward, and this has been true since the beginning of time. As far as PIPS-PureInvestor goes, it is not a ponzi, and unless you researched it more thoroughly, you would not know what I know, so please don't label anything a ponzi unless you do your own DD first.
There are many financial intruments where one could earn 20% or more a day, but most people are not savy enough to know this, so they take the easy short cut and remain skeptical. Agreed, it is far easier to be a skeptic than and entrepreneur who takes risks all the time, but please folks, as I respect those who have skeptical attitudes, so must you respect those who are the educated risk takers. There is enough room in the world for both of us, so all I say is live and learn.
I could care less if you never research PIPS-PureInvestor as there is no incentive of any value to me one way or another. PIPS is not an MLM, nor does it reward those who bring in others on multi-levels. There is only a $10.00 referral fee paid like with thousands of other affiliate programs on the internet and I donate it to worthy causes anyway.
All income earned comes from a diverse portfolio of investments, as well as from 11 different brick and mortar businesses such as franchising, entertainment, fashions, real estate, venture capital and property management, just to name a few. I have done my due diligence and visited offices, talked with CEO face to face, so I am no longer the least bit skeptical. In fact, I have been paid for almost 19 months as promised and am very well off because of PIPS. This does not mean there was and is no risk, it simple means there is managed risk, in fact, very well managed. (g)
Good luck, Mike
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lapcus
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 20:53:45 [Permalink]
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hey man...it good to see another PIPS member post.....as you can see...ive been hitting them over the head with this for some time now...but these stubborn mules will not listen....it was not my intention to make them listen..but to show everyone else how foolish they are...that i did and did well.....
Most are convinced of this...and have moved on..but I still like playing the mental debate games with them Im bored at the moment....and have nothing to do until the 15th when i head up to Philly. Btw are you going to the convention in hawaii? ...I sorry that i can't come...the reason being is that I had already planned to goto hawaii in January to see about buying a house in Mililani Mauka...ill be in the area ...but not at the convention....there will be many more.....perhaps we can meet up at that time..and talk about PIPS...I havent seen the CEO face to face ...yet..
But i would like to meet someone who has...think you can take a trip to the island of Oahu for a day and visit me?
Pip on Pipster
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