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filthy
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Posted - 10/06/2004 :  17:42:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ricky

Filthy, you might want to consider changing some settings to make the font larger.

You could change your screen resolution to something like 800x600. You could also change the font settings on your browser.

I've tried, but I fear when it comes to that sort of thing, I am a cyber idiot.

My son-in-law, who makes a good living at doing such esoteric things as writing code and building programs for companies, says he'll fix it for me, but has yet to do it. Maybe one day...

This computer is not all that great to start with, anyway. As soon as I can afford it, I'm going modern. Vintage is only good in Harley Davidson motorcycles and quality whiskey.


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


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Siberia
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Posted - 10/06/2004 :  17:50:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
[fluff] Harley Davidson! I was graced with such mythical sight only once in my entire existence, but it was one sight to behold. [/fluff]

Mmm... it suddenly went small? Has anyone noticed a significant smalling (yes, I invent words) in the same site's font? Because if nobody else does, might be your computer... though generally they don't randomly change their configurations (unless they're possessed. Like mine!).

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- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/06/2004 :  18:56:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by H. Humbert

However, until evidence is presented to suggest otherwise, from here on out I shall only refer his ex-girlfriend as either the alleged Hannah or simply "Hannah" while I do that little quotes-in-the-air-thingy with my fingers.
Well, the hypothesis that should take zero evidence is that they are separate people, and the "tk is a headcase" hypothesis should be the one which requires evidence to be presented. No solid evidence has surfaced, yet. It's all circumstantial.

That being said, none of the people on tk's "staff" exist in the TTU student directory. Hannah, Kevin, and Courtney and all no-shows. There are two T.K. Smiths, however.

And to be honest, I wouldn't hold the guy's desire to use his initials, for whatever reason, against him. Web anonymity - if desired - shouldn't be a strike against anyone (unless, of course, they're making outrageous claims based on who they are - like being close to the President, or knowing of Gould's deathbed recantation of evolution ).

Hehehe. Anyone see tk's What Atheists Don't Want You To Know? It's a hoot, and shows his tremendous ignorance of atheists. I didn't know that if I were to accept that a miracle had occured my belief that people should have freedom of speech, press, assembly and religion would be refuted. I really had no idea the stakes were so damn high! I'd better reinforce my anti-God position, then, just to make sure that nothing bad happens to the First Amendment, or any of the other things I believe in.

And he seems to think that hypocrisy is somehow a logical fallacy, instead of just a trait of a nasty personality. The whole "In order to argue against the Argument of Design one would have to design an argument..." argument is simply a strawman, since nobody is claiming that humans cannot design things.

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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/06/2004 :  19:06:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
Well, the hypothesis that should take zero evidence is that they are separate people, and the "tk is a headcase" hypothesis should be the one which requires evidence to be presented.

Well, obviously. I'm just being a bad skeptic in this particular case, mostly because it affords more fun.
quote:
And to be honest, I wouldn't hold the guy's desire to use his initials, for whatever reason, against him. Web anonymity - if desired - shouldn't be a strike against anyone.

I agree whole-heartedly. But my point was that he applies this cautionary measure inconsistently. Why protect oneself but fail to afford the same safeguards to one's friends and relations? One logical conclusion is that made-up people do not require privacy measures.


"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie
Edited by - H. Humbert on 10/06/2004 19:43:05
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Dude
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Posted - 10/06/2004 :  19:12:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
filthy,

click START

Click SETTINGS

Click CONTROL PANEL

Click ACCESSIBILITY OPTIONS (should be the very first thing in the control panel)

Click the DISPLAY tab.

Check the USE HIGH CONTRAST box.

Click the SETTINGS button next to the use high contrast box.

Expiriment with the various font sizes and stuff till you get one you like and makes reading the screen easy on your eyes.

You can undo the font changes by simply unchecking the USE HIGH CONTRAST box at anytime.

Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

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The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/06/2004 :  21:16:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
Hehehe. Anyone see tk's http://www.skeptictimes.com/ignorance.htmlWhat Atheists Don't
I stopped reading his entry about why atheists deny miracles occur after the line "When shown that God has cured something like cancer..."

Excuse me? When has anyone ever been able to show that god has cured a disease? All of his rants are like this. He lists several reasons why atheists are "deniers," none of which include the theists' consistent failure to produce anything convincing.


"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie
Edited by - H. Humbert on 10/06/2004 21:19:55
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Ricky
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Posted - 10/06/2004 :  23:59:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
Excuse me? When has anyone ever been able to show that god has cured a disease? All of his rants are like this. He lists several reasons why atheists are "deniers," none of which include the theists' consistent failure to produce anything convincing.


They can't even show that a god (any god) exists, yet they claim they can show what he/she/it does. Amazing.

Its like the article I read at SkepticReport from a while ago:

quote:
"We know that there's this microscopic flatworm that breathes fire," he said. "It's been shown that it can move through walls. We also speculate that it can astral-project itself to other dimensions." But, Markbotch concedes, "The only thing we can't prove is that it actually exists."


http://www.skepticreport.com/funnies/microcrypt.htm

(note: entire article is satire, completey made up)

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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furshur
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  05:53:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message
Did anyone read the debate TK had with an 'evolutionist' in the news letter cited earlier. Here are some gems from the debate that tk obviously had with himself:
quote:
Matt: It's religious [creationism].
tk: So is evolution.
Matt: Technically, but technically it's not.
tk: So it is true, atheists do contradict themselves in the same sentence.
Matt: Well I mean, technically evolution is a religion, but technically it's not.

Matt: Ok then, I think the fossil record supports evolution.
tk: What fossil record?
Matt: You know the transition fossils between chimps and man.

Matt: So he's saying that the whole issue can never really be understood?
tk: Not in a scientific manner. Now if someone wants to believe it, that is perfectly acceptable.
Matt: Ok.
tk: Anything else you'd like to say?
Matt: Well, not really except, it was a pleasure and you have quite a sense of humor. Usually these debates turn into anger, but your humor keeps everything quite cool. It was fun and I'll get studying so we can do it again sometime.
tk: Thanks, it was a pleasure and take care.


'Matt', clearly does not understand the concept of evolution, nor apparently does he understand the concept of humor...



If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know.
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furshur
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  06:03:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message
Here is an interesting quote from tk:
quote:
No doubt, some of these religions I've been around have quite impressive credentials. For an example, Catholicism is the oldest Judeo-Christian religion, although Christians will lie and claim they actually are. Islam is fairly new, but is incredibly close-minded and tolerates no amount of sin at all. Mormons are some of the nicest people you'll ever meet in your life. And not to forget the Hindus who can't eat meat … actually I'm not impressed with them at all.

It always amazes me that fundies don't think that catholics are christians.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  07:54:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
furshur, it amazes me that tk doesn't consider Jews as part of "Judeo-Christian."

And for everyone, the debate is on. jimi said, "...I guess I will go with Peptide." Of course, he goes on to define science and simply assert that "macro-evolution and beyond" doesn't follow the definition of being "systemized knowledge obtained from observation, study, experimentation, etc." What utter nonsense.

Oh, and it seems that tk has really made a mountain out of a molehill with his million-alleged-dollar challenge. He talks about the "argument of design" from Romans 1, but all Paul does is state that God is in evidence in everything in the world, and that we can learn about God by understanding His creation (verses 19 and 20). It's not an argument at all, but simply a belief.

So it seems that tk's counter-argument rests upon two fallacies: (1) that Paul made an argument, and (2) that hypocrisy invalidates an argument.

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llDayo
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USA
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  08:23:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send llDayo a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by jimi
Evolution, or more correctly, macro-evolution and beyond does not fit this. Science is systemized knowledge obtained from observation, study, experimentation, etc. Evolution does not fit this.



Last I heard, macro and micro evolution are BOTH evolution. Trying to draw a line between them is just an attempt to discredit the entire Theory as questionable. Also, how is evolution not science? Evolution was first obtained from observation of the relationships between species, the fossil record, and different species adapted characteristics to survive within their environment. It has shown to be able to predict where fossilized animals will appear within the geologic strata and experimentation using the idea of evolving life forms have lead to vaccines! Where is this science not existing?
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Dude
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  08:33:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
I get a nice laugh everytime I see some fundie call evolution a "religious belief".

These guys/girls fall solidly into the "not to bright" category.

Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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Ricky
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  09:16:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
'Matt', clearly does not understand the concept of evolution, nor apparently does he understand the concept of humor...


It seems that Matt has exactly the same misconceptions as tk does about evolution..... are you thinking what I'm thinking?

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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Siberia
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  09:20:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
The loveliness. How can they be sure about all those things? I mean... I never said Jesus didn't exist. In fact, I think Jesus was a brilliant philosopher; his lessons are good. I follow his preachings, regardless of whether he's son of God or not.

One thing Christian Fundies don't say - that atheists don't care for what they say.

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- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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filthy
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Posted - 10/07/2004 :  09:24:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
<shrug> How many micros does it take to make a macro? <shrug>

Again, I am reminded of the Equus series, or rather 'group' might be a better description. That one is so well documented in the fossil record that it actually demonstrates both macro and micro. A multitude of species, and more, branches and side-branches of the line. And, I think, still more to come.

The thing about it is that YECs can simply deny the whole thing, without a shread of support, then claim debate victory over the deluded 'Darwinists.' What crap!

Cheap rhetoric is all they have, but they will tout it as Scientific Truth every time, and the audiences thrash about in orgasmic and ignorant delignt.

I want Hovind's lying head on a platter! Someone fetch it to me at once!


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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