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They need to provide some explicit info concerning "ccdi9".
If it's such a major thing, you'd think that a general google search would turn up some info about it. Then, you'd think that a search of the Nature and Science online databases would return some info concerning it....
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Unfortunately, Ricky, you're absolutely correct about the amount of legal knowledge you've got. 
Seriously, you own the copyright to your previous post. You wrote it, you own it, and - technically - you can sue people who copy it without your permission, outside of "fair use" exemptions (for criticism, education, and a couple other reasons). If someone copied that post of yours, and you decided to sue, a judge would probably throw the case out, because all you can really sue for is monetary compensation. In other words, because you didn't write your post with the intent of making money with it (and the copier didn't make money with it), the lawsuit would be frivolous.
However, even if we could show that jimi wasn't expecting to get paid for being in a debate on SkepticTimes - and what the heck do we know about what goes on behind the scenes over there? - just the threat of such a lawsuit could be a big pain in our collective butt. So, get permission, or get critical.
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/06/2004 : 13:09:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
So, perhaps tk can't get a date at all, and Hannah is a total fabrication. Or, perhaps she's one of his dissociated personalities...
Haha! Honestly, this isn't as crazy as it first sounds. Let's look at some inconsistancies.
1) In order to protect his identity, tk has never posted his full, real name. Yet he seems no have no problems with publishing the full names of his "friends." Could it be because they are ficticious?
2) If they are real, however, neither Kevin's nor Hannah's name show up in a school directory.
3) Kevkev is a "sexist jock" personality, while Hannah is a "science based atheist." Both are personalities a fundalmentalist creationist would repress in himself and might wish to explore indirectly.
4) Assuming they are both ficticious, tk seems to get them confused at times. For instance, why is kevkev the jock explaining ccdi9? Shouldn't that fall to the biochemist "Hannah" personality?
5) Kevkev is the personality which was banned from christian forums for posing as an atheist (role playing), yet tk is the one who seems most bitter about the experience. (Read why he created the site.)
6) tk deleted several threads containing posts from all his "friends." You would think the others might have been upset at this, or at least he might have exercised greater restraint. He would not have any compunction, however, if he was simply deleting his own posts. Indeed, he may have deleted them specifically because he was beginning to allow inconsistancies to creep in.
7) tk's idea of "satire" seems to be disjointed and semi-amusing "monologues" where he often assumes the personality of a doubter or slightly irreverant heretic.
So could tk have a fractured personality which manifests itself by posing as multiple posters? I would say it's a very strong possibility.
Re-read his interview with "Hannah" with this in mind. It's totally creepy. Reminded me of the scene from Lord of the Rings where Gollum is arguing with himself.  |
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Dude
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Posted - 10/06/2004 : 13:32:51 [Permalink]
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rofl!
I think you're on to something Dave_W and H.H.
Let's aks tk and his "friends" to provide some basic ID. Something that is already public domain and verifiable.... |
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 10/06/2004 : 13:57:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by Dave W.
So, perhaps tk can't get a date at all, and Hannah is a total fabrication. Or, perhaps she's one of his dissociated personalities...
Haha! Honestly, this isn't as crazy as it first sounds. Re-read his interview with "Hannah" with this in mind. It's totally creepy. Reminded me of the scene from Lord of the Rings where Gollum is arguing with himself.
It's even stranger. Look at this edition of his "magazine" (or whatever he calls it) and scroll down to the part where "Courtney"-- another one of tk's so-called friends-- answers mail. The mails are obviously trumped up. But what about the answers? If you read them, they fit nicely with many of tk's themes, and it really seems like he's writing the answers himself. After all, who would subject a real friend to answering fake emails in such an otherwise uncreative and largely unfunny way?!?
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Peptide
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Posted - 10/06/2004 : 14:07:08 [Permalink]
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Woah, anyone seen the forum lately? They completely deleted any folder on the Creation or Evolution. Does this mean no debate?
Well, this means mission accomplished for me. There will be no more of them spreading lies about Evolution.
Just noticed that myself. PM'ed tkster to see what is up. You will notice that the "Creationists Only" forum is still up and running. It may have been my fault. In the few times I posted there I actually showed an interest in fairly debating the topic and a breadth of knowledge within evolution. I also mentioned that I am familiar with biochemistry and protein chemistry, afterwhich tksgurl was surprisingly absent. A little too early to tell, but it looks like they are closing shop in order to silence the debate, not to mention a full explanation of ccdi9 by tksgurl in the presence of someone who may have more knowledge on the subject than your average Joe.
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tkster
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Posted - 10/06/2004 : 14:37:15 [Permalink]
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Just noticed that myself. PM'ed tkster to see what is up. You will notice that the "Creationists Only" forum is still up and running. It may have been my fault. In the few times I posted there I actually showed an interest in fairly debating the topic and a breadth of knowledge within evolution. I also mentioned that I am familiar with biochemistry and protein chemistry, afterwhich tksgurl was surprisingly absent. A little too early to tell, but it looks like they are closing shop in order to silence the debate, not to mention a full explanation of ccdi9 by tksgurl in the presence of someone who may have more knowledge on the subject than your average Joe.
If it goes tits up maybe we should invite jimi over here and continue the debate?
Just to let you know Peptide, thought I'd tell you that we had to re-arrange the forum. We are wanting to start Advertising for a TTU forum in the UD at Texas Tech. That is why we did that - so when you go back, under All Member Forums, you will see "debate" and that is where the debate is at. No we didn't lock it.
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Peptide
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Posted - 10/06/2004 : 14:51:41 [Permalink]
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| This is my formal apology for acusing the creationists at skeptictimes for running from the debate. I was a little quick in my judgement. Also, I really don't care about the qualifications or real world identities of those at skeptictimes, all I care about is the quality of their arguments. Although, nothing was better than picking apart Sarfati's arguments at www.theologyweb.com knowing that he is a regular poster under the name "Socrates". So I guess in that case it made a little difference. |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/06/2004 : 15:45:20 [Permalink]
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All right, trying to bring us back to rational thought...
You probably have a little bit more evidence than required to say it is a possibility, which requires 0 evidence.
Unless that was a joke?
Well, I'll admit that my entire post was a bit tongue in cheek.
However, until evidence is presented to suggest otherwise, from here on out I shall only refer his ex-girlfriend as either the alleged Hannah or simply "Hannah" while I do that little quotes-in-the-air-thingy with my fingers.
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8) tk has other personalities which answer his mail.
9) tk was the original sojourner to venture to this site and start posting. I suspect he checks it regularly, as he just recently posted a response above. Yet at skeptic times, "kevkev" was the personality who had to inform tk about an earlier thread on these forums. Why would kevkev come here and why would he need to update tk? Shouldn't it have been the other way around? Unless this is all a charade and kevkev is tk!
10) tk had an opportunity in his above post to deny all this. He didn't.
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filthy
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Posted - 10/06/2004 : 15:46:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Peptide
This is my formal apology for acusing the creationists at skeptictimes for running from the debate. I was a little quick in my judgement. Also, I really don't care about the qualifications or real world identities of those at skeptictimes, all I care about is the quality of their arguments. Although, nothing was better than picking apart Sarfati's arguments at www.theologyweb.com knowing that he is a regular poster under the name "Socrates". So I guess in that case it made a little difference.
Hmph, Sarfati.
Had a few run-ins with him myself, until Mama Dee-Dee interviened. For a PhD he is remarkably dense. Also abusive.
By the bye, although this site has been home for a long time, I was a regular at II until they went to that microscopic font. I miss it. Next time you are there, tell 'em Duvenoy sez, "Hey!"
I agree, the quality of the argument is, in the end, all that counts. I might qualify it by adding that references should be fair game. Reference ICR, AiG, et al on evolution and it should properly be landed on with all four feet, evidence and facts in hand. Bad references make for a worse argument.
Wish I could follow the debate -- font, again. Looking forward to the outcome.
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