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Dave W.
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ktesibios wrote:quote:
Anybody wanna clue me in on this?
Sure, kt:
You're thinking too rationally. Throw away Occam's Razor for a moment, and realize that we cannot fundamentally prove that the Earth orbits the Sun. Yes, the math and other predictions are tremendously more difficult if the Earth is the center of the universe and unmoving, but so what? Nobody said that physics was easy.
So, the patterns in your assumed two-million-year-old light aren't necessarily the evidence you think they are. It could be an unshifted pattern of a substance which no longer exists at all, or only exists in M31, which is actually only a few million miles away, but because velocity slows down the farther you get from Earth...
So you see, if simple theories are not acceptable, then the invention of more and more ad hoc, epicycle-like explanations is required. You are assuming that because quantum theory matches what we see, then it is actually correct. But it could just be a large batch of lucky guesses, and the underlying laws behind the observations are all completely different.
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llDayo
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 11:30:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
H. Humbert, one of the folks on talk.origins suggested that I "ask her when her doctoral dissertation is up for Nobel Prize review." It's that much of a radical "biomechanical mechanism."
Is it possible to be going for a Phd in BioChemistry at the age of 21? Because that's what her age says on that site. I have a friend who's about 3 years younger than me and received a full grant to study the exact same field in Cambridge university (I think that's correct). This makes him 23 and he just received his Master's. On top of that he's one of the smartest people I've ever met yet he's just starting on the PhD part? You'll never catch him using words like 'pwn' or completely disregarding capitalization, even on an internet post. I think her credentials are suspect and that may explain the ccdi9 mystery.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 12:09:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by llDayo
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Originally posted by Dave W.
H. Humbert, one of the folks on talk.origins suggested that I "ask her when her doctoral dissertation is up for Nobel Prize review." It's that much of a radical "biomechanical mechanism."
Is it possible to be going for a Phd in BioChemistry at the age of 21? Because that's what her age says on that site. I have a friend who's about 3 years younger than me and received a full grant to study the exact same field in Cambridge university (I think that's correct). This makes him 23 and he just received his Master's. On top of that he's one of the smartest people I've ever met yet he's just starting on the PhD part? You'll never catch him using words like 'pwn' or completely disregarding capitalization, even on an internet post. I think her credentials are suspect and that may explain the ccdi9 mystery.
By the way, this debate brought me to these forums from iidb (internet infidels) and, particularly, this thread.
In another message, it was discussed that ccdi9 was probably a misspelling of CDC19. The premise is still faulty as it shows that the cellular division method is consistant through terrestrial life forms and is resistant to change. It's the old (and tired) complexity arguement again.
Your analysis of her credentials is valid. I would also question the ability of a 21 year old to be a doctoral candidate in anything other than a PhD in Divinity. (Available from The Universal Life Church for $35 and thesis describing your spiritual path.)(snicker)
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llDayo
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 12:23:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant DancerI would also question the ability of a 21 year old to be a doctoral candidate in anything other than a PhD in Divinity. (Available from The Universal Life Church for $35 and thesis describing your spiritual path.)(snicker)
Where do I sign up!? Nothing would be greater than boasting a PhD in Theology when debating a Creationist ! I guess that would put me on the same level as Hovind and I could list my self as a Dr. in the phone book, hehe.
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Peptide
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 12:24:45 [Permalink]
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Well, it seems that I may have been muscled out of the debate. Tksgurl seems to want to debate Punk Eek vs Creationism. The only problem is that she thinks punk eek is somehow completely different than gradualism. I left an explanation of why I think tksgurl's use of punk eek is incorrect at the other debate board, we will see what happens.
At this point it seems that it will be tksgurl vs jimihendrix, but I am trying to take the high road and remain in the debate. We will see what happens. Thanks for all of your suggestions, no matter the outcome. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 12:33:56 [Permalink]
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Welcome, llDayo!
Yes, it is possible to be a doctoral candidate at 21. In the Western hemisphere, I believe that back in the 1920s, a PhD was awarded to a 17-year-old. China seems - from a quick Google scan - to pride itself on having many young teens in doctorate programs.
Is it likely, in this case? I doubt it.
And Internet Infidels! Looks like word of this thing is getting around. Please thank CthulhuLives for linking to us.
Oh, and Peptide: nice couple of posts. Much more gracious than I would have been. |
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llDayo
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 12:36:41 [Permalink]
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Well, I did a little search for Hannah's (first name of tksgurl) at Texas Tech and came up with one graduate. It didn't list the major though. All the rest didn't seem to be her and this seems to be the only one with a chance. Most likely, she's not going for BioChemistry but knows someone in her dorms that is, and they're probably failing. Go HERE if you're bored and look through the 20 or so entries that come up. (So I'm a little picky when it comes to details  ) |
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llDayo
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 12:41:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.Yes, it is possible to be a doctoral candidate at 21. In the Western hemisphere, I believe that back in the 1920s, a PhD was awarded to a 17-year-old. China seems - from a quick Google scan - to pride itself on having many young teens in doctorate programs.
Yeah, I know there have been younger people awarded PhDs, but they're basically child prodigies. You already mentioned that it's probably unlikely, I was just trying to analyze if it's possible in the case. Especially, if you take a look at some of her other posts (just search the forums for name) you'll see some pretty nutball posts! |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 13:07:24 [Permalink]
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| llDavo, the one graduate student Hannah is in DAFS. Here is the class list for the Department of Animal and Food Sciences. A doctorate is available in animal sciences, but not in food technology. Not that she couldn't switch to the School for Medical Biochemisty (for example), or another school which offers a doctorate in biochemistry, but still... |
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filthy
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 13:22:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by llDayo
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Originally posted by Dave W.
H. Humbert, one of the folks on talk.origins suggested that I "ask her when her doctoral dissertation is up for Nobel Prize review." It's that much of a radical "biomechanical mechanism."
Is it possible to be going for a Phd in BioChemistry at the age of 21? Because that's what her age says on that site. I have a friend who's about 3 years younger than me and received a full grant to study the exact same field in Cambridge university (I think that's correct). This makes him 23 and he just received his Master's. On top of that he's one of the smartest people I've ever met yet he's just starting on the PhD part? You'll never catch him using words like 'pwn' or completely disregarding capitalization, even on an internet post. I think her credentials are suspect and that may explain the ccdi9 mystery.
By the way, this debate brought me to these forums from iidb (internet infidels) and, particularly, this thread.
In another message, it was discussed that ccdi9 was probably a misspelling of CDC19. The premise is still faulty as it shows that the cellular division method is consistant through terrestrial life forms and is resistant to change. It's the old (and tired) complexity arguement again.
Your analysis of her credentials is valid. I would also question the ability of a 21 year old to be a doctoral candidate in anything other than a PhD in Divinity. (Available from The Universal Life Church for $35 and thesis describing your spiritual path.)(snicker)
Welcome to the SFN.
Now Val, let us not be poor-mouthing the Universal Life Church. How else could one such as I become ordained?
The Rev. Mr. Filth, pastor of the Church of the Dessicated Cockroach -- services held at the biker bar every Friday and Saturday night. Anyone willing to buy a round is warmly welcomed. 
Welcome llDayo!
I rather doubt that this gal is a PhD candidate, although I could be wrong. She doesn't seem to write like someone that far along in her education. Has anyone thought to ask what she plans for a thesis?
I fear I'll miss the debate. Alas, my eyes won't last long enough, fighting that font. I hope someone will keep us stay-at-homes up to date on it.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 13:29:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by llDayo
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Originally posted by Dave W.
H. Humbert, one of the folks on talk.origins suggested that I "ask her when her doctoral dissertation is up for Nobel Prize review." It's that much of a radical "biomechanical mechanism."
Is it possible to be going for a Phd in BioChemistry at the age of 21? Because that's what her age says on that site. I have a friend who's about 3 years younger than me and received a full grant to study the exact same field in Cambridge university (I think that's correct). This makes him 23 and he just received his Master's. On top of that he's one of the smartest people I've ever met yet he's just starting on the PhD part? You'll never catch him using words like 'pwn' or completely disregarding capitalization, even on an internet post. I think her credentials are suspect and that may explain the ccdi9 mystery.
By the way, this debate brought me to these forums from iidb (internet infidels) and, particularly, this thread.
In another message, it was discussed that ccdi9 was probably a misspelling of CDC19. The premise is still faulty as it shows that the cellular division method is consistant through terrestrial life forms and is resistant to change. It's the old (and tired) complexity arguement again.
Your analysis of her credentials is valid. I would also question the ability of a 21 year old to be a doctoral candidate in anything other than a PhD in Divinity. (Available from The Universal Life Church for $35 and thesis describing your spiritual path.)(snicker)
Welcome to the SFN.
Now Val, let us not be poor-mouthing the Universal Life Church. How else could one such as I become ordained?
The Rev. Mr. Filth, pastor of the Church of the Dessicated Cockroach -- services held at the biker bar every Friday and Saturday night. Anyone willing to buy a round is warmly welcomed.
Welcome llDayo!
I rather doubt that this gal is a PhD candidate, although I could be wrong. She doesn't seem to write like someone that far along in her education. Has anyone thought to ask what she plans for a thesis?
I fear I'll miss the debate. Alas, my eyes won't last long enough, fighting that font. I hope someone will keep us stay-at-homes up to date on it.
I'm not potty mouthing ULC. I'm an ordained member since 1992.
Rev. Dancer of the Church of the Cosmic Party.
(If you think I'm joking, you don't know the Right Rev. Krikket's evil sense of humor.)
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 13:36:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by llDayo
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Originally posted by Valiant DancerI would also question the ability of a 21 year old to be a doctoral candidate in anything other than a PhD in Divinity. (Available from The Universal Life Church for $35 and thesis describing your spiritual path.)(snicker)
Where do I sign up!? Nothing would be greater than boasting a PhD in Theology when debating a Creationist! I guess that would put me on the same level as Hovind and I could list my self as a Dr. in the phone book, hehe.
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Welcome to the SFN.
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Right here
http://www.ulc.org/catalog/
You can select one of four Doctoral studies
Doctor of Divinity ($35)
Doctor of Metaphysics ($35)
Doctor of Motivation ($40)(evidentially more gullible)
Doctor of Biblical Studies ($60)(heh)
You can also purchase a religious title for $10. Like Father Guido Sarducci said, "every man is the Pope".
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 10/05/2004 : 13:41:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by llDayo
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Originally posted by Dave W.
H. Humbert, one of the folks on talk.origins suggested that I "ask her when her doctoral dissertation is up for Nobel Prize review." It's that much of a radical "biomechanical mechanism."
Is it possible to be going for a Phd in BioChemistry at the age of 21?
She's said she has a Master's Degree in BioChemistry, working on doctor... |
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