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Valiant Dancer
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 Posted - 10/27/2004 : 06:39:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by chaloobi
Verlch is going to hell. God is not pleased with his hypocracy. That's the one sin that pisses Jesus off most. Verlch is going to burn when he dies. Burn forever.
Hell or Heaven, isn't going to make me stop talking about what fills me with peace, and what I love!
At least you're comfortable with your hypocracy and unBiblical doctorine.
Matthew 6:5
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Claiming to know the mind of God. Hope you like fire, verlch. |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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Chippewa
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Posted - 10/27/2004 : 09:59:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer...Hey, I love Satin, too. I'm thinking about picking up some sheets in it. (Couldn't resist, sorry.)
Satin sheets - deliciously sinful.  |
Diversity, independence, innovation and imagination are progressive concepts ultimately alien to the conservative mind.
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 10/27/2004 : 14:46:40 [Permalink]
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verlch:
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Its obvious none of us understand the ways of our Maker.
Yes, but some of continue to claim that we do. In great detail. |
The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley
The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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verlch
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Posted - 11/15/2004 : 13:21:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
verlch:
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Its obvious none of us understand the ways of our Maker.
Yes, but some of continue to claim that we do. In great detail.
Only because God left a 3200 year old book about how He despises wickedness and favors Godly actions! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 11/15/2004 : 14:30:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
verlch:
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Its obvious none of us understand the ways of our Maker.
Yes, but some of continue to claim that we do. In great detail.
Only because God left a 3200 year old book about how He despises wickedness and favors Godly actions!
The whole concept of this is laughable. Especially since the entire written Bible hasn't existed prior to 100 CE and only sections are rumored to have existed up to 500 BCE. Even the Christian version of the Jesus story is only 2000 years old.
I look forward to your pained and pathetic attempt to explain this. |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 13:38:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
verlch:
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Its obvious none of us understand the ways of our Maker.
Yes, but some of continue to claim that we do. In great detail.
Only because God left a 3200 year old book about how He despises wickedness and favors Godly actions!
The whole concept of this is laughable. Especially since the entire written Bible hasn't existed prior to 100 CE and only sections are rumored to have existed up to 500 BCE. Even the Christian version of the Jesus story is only 2000 years old.
I look forward to your pained and pathetic attempt to explain this.
Its been around alot longer than your book of Darwin. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Paulos23
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 14:16:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
verlch:
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Its obvious none of us understand the ways of our Maker.
Yes, but some of continue to claim that we do. In great detail.
Only because God left a 3200 year old book about how He despises wickedness and favors Godly actions!
The whole concept of this is laughable. Especially since the entire written Bible hasn't existed prior to 100 CE and only sections are rumored to have existed up to 500 BCE. Even the Christian version of the Jesus story is only 2000 years old.
I look forward to your pained and pathetic attempt to explain this.
Its been around alot longer than your book of Darwin.
True, but does that make it any more right?
Don't get me wrong, the bible has some good general ideas for people to help them get along, but if you get bogged down in the little details you lose the main message: "Love your fellow human, learn to forgive" |
You can go wrong by being too skeptical as readily as by being too trusting. -- Robert A. Heinlein
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley |
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 14:18:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
verlch:
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Its obvious none of us understand the ways of our Maker.
Yes, but some of continue to claim that we do. In great detail.
Only because God left a 3200 year old book about how He despises wickedness and favors Godly actions!
The whole concept of this is laughable. Especially since the entire written Bible hasn't existed prior to 100 CE and only sections are rumored to have existed up to 500 BCE. Even the Christian version of the Jesus story is only 2000 years old.
I look forward to your pained and pathetic attempt to explain this.
Its been around alot longer than your book of Darwin.
So does the Vedas and the Kama Sutra (hehe). Your point is...? |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 12/09/2004 : 01:31:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
verlch:
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Its obvious none of us understand the ways of our Maker.
Yes, but some of continue to claim that we do. In great detail.
Only because God left a 3200 year old book about how He despises wickedness and favors Godly actions!
The whole concept of this is laughable. Especially since the entire written Bible hasn't existed prior to 100 CE and only sections are rumored to have existed up to 500 BCE. Even the Christian version of the Jesus story is only 2000 years old.
I look forward to your pained and pathetic attempt to explain this.
Its been around alot longer than your book of Darwin.
So does the Vedas and the Kama Sutra (hehe). Your point is...?
The bible is the only book that claims to explain why we are here and that God put us here. My point is that you are a complex being and mother nature didn't breath life into you and make you grow from a tiny cell to a full grown women. God did the same to me, took me from a speck and turned me into a very large, full of stature man. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 12/09/2004 : 01:53:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
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The reality is, things are as they are in this world. Science attempts to explain them to suit science. Things it cannot answer are left alone, because in reality, things are as they are in this world!
Gravity happens. Gravity is. Yet we study it, we calculate it, we estimate it. We do great things with it. Yet, you don't see people saying gravity doesn't exist. It is a fact.
Electricity happens. Electricity is. Should we not study electricity, just because it is as it is? Should we not question what causes it? For a long time, we couldn't explain lightnings. Now we can. And because we know what electricity is, we have the world as we have it.
Yes, things are as they are. Evolution happens. Evolution is.
Things are what they are. We try to understand it - simply that. We try to explain things, yes, but not because we're rebelling against something. We try to explain things because curiosity and wonder are part of that great mind we have and that you, admittedly, confess is the most amazing feature in the human organism.
Oh please, lets hire some forensic experts to dig through the dirt. It shouldn't be to hard to crumble the foundation of Creationism....right gentlemen? There are billions of macro fossils, we just haven't found them yet...They hide in scary places yet to be discovered. Because see, when we find a million year old fossil of a bat, and the bat hasn't evolved at all, we in the scientific community call that macro evolution at its finest. It just happened to fast before your eyes...
http://www.megspace.com/religion/museltof/naturalistic.html |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/09/2004 : 03:09:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Siberia
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The reality is, things are as they are in this world. Science attempts to explain them to suit science. Things it cannot answer are left alone, because in reality, things are as they are in this world!
Gravity happens. Gravity is. Yet we study it, we calculate it, we estimate it. We do great things with it. Yet, you don't see people saying gravity doesn't exist. It is a fact.
Electricity happens. Electricity is. Should we not study electricity, just because it is as it is? Should we not question what causes it? For a long time, we couldn't explain lightnings. Now we can. And because we know what electricity is, we have the world as we have it.
Yes, things are as they are. Evolution happens. Evolution is.
Things are what they are. We try to understand it - simply that. We try to explain things, yes, but not because we're rebelling against something. We try to explain things because curiosity and wonder are part of that great mind we have and that you, admittedly, confess is the most amazing feature in the human organism.
Oh please, lets hire some forensic experts to dig through the dirt. It shouldn't be to hard to crumble the foundation of Creationism....right gentlemen? There are billions of macro fossils, we just haven't found them yet...They hide in scary places yet to be discovered. Because see, when we find a million year old fossil of a bat, and the bat hasn't evolved at all, we in the scientific community call that macro evolution at its finest. It just happened to fast before your eyes...
http://www.megspace.com/religion/museltof/naturalistic.html
Verlch, I thought that you were YEC. Why are you linking to this Intelligent Design codswallop? Those clowns say, correctly, that the earth is a lot older than a mere 6 to 10 thousand years. Beyond that though, they are as full of feces as rest of the cults.
Bats again is it? Ok, lets do a twofer and touch upon the Desmondus as well, hmmm?
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Currently, bats are in a single order, Chiroptera (hand-winged) and are thought to have appeared 65-100 myr, in the late Palaeocene or early Cretaceous (Altringham 1996). They are divided into two subgroups, the megabats and the microbats. Megabats refer to the large, fruit-eating bats confined to Africa, tropical Asia, and Indo-Australia (Altringham 1996). For our purposes, we will focus on the microbats that are found on every continent and house our common vampire bat. The oldest fossil bat dates back 50 myr in the early Eocene period (Altringham 1996). There is poor representation of bats in the fossil record; however, some discoveries in Australia of extensive fossil bat fauna dates back 55 million years ago (Altringham 1996). Zimmer (1998) explains, “bats are not good candidates for paleontological study. When they die, they usually disappear…often eaten by scavengers; if not, they decompose on the ground.”
Emphasis mine.
Erm, I know it wiil pain you greatly, but I'm afraid that you'll have to open the link to read it in it's entirity. Unless, o'course, you can pursuade some god or other to send a minion to do it for you.
Or you can ignore the whole, freakin' thing, as usual, and that's ok too. Others might gain from it.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Starman
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Posted - 12/09/2004 : 03:32:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Or you can ignore the whole, freakin' thing, as usual, and that's ok too. Others might gain from it.
I do, thank you!
I owe most of my knowledge in evolutionary biology to cretinist ignorance.
"The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it!"
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Plyss
Skeptic Friend
Netherlands
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Posted - 12/09/2004 : 06:22:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
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Originally posted by filthy
Or you can ignore the whole, freakin' thing, as usual, and that's ok too. Others might gain from it.
I do, thank you!
I owe most of my knowledge in evolutionary biology to cretinist ignorance.
Funnily the same is true for me. If i had never been exposed to the creationist worldview i would never have bothered to examine the real data.
It's a funny world were ignorance advances knowledge  |
Miss Tick sniffed. 'You could say this piece of advice is pricesless', she said. 'Are you listening?'
'Yes' said Tiffany.
'Good now...If you trust in yourself.."
'Yes..?'
'..and believe in your dreams...'
'yes?'
'...and follow your star..' Miss Tick went on.
'Yes?'
'You'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy. Goodbye.' |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/09/2004 : 06:56:13 [Permalink]
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Interesting thoughts.
Ignorance is an intellectual void that, as nature abhors a vacuum, must and will be filled with something.
Thus, as verlch has filled his with his rather convoluted view of Christianity, others seek out rhyme and reason.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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