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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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| verlch once again demonstrates that he doesn't have the faintest idea of what evolution is.... |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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chaloobi
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 13:09:00 [Permalink]
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| Verlch is going to hell. God is not pleased with his hypocracy. That's the one sin that pisses Jesus off most. Verlch is going to burn when he dies. Burn forever. |
-Chaloobi
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 13:22:01 [Permalink]
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Jesus was the hypocrisy master...right behind the God as described in the various bibles.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 10/19/2004 : 17:54:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
I don't think God would take you to a place you wouldn't be happy in.
So why are you here on earth? If all he wants is for us to be in a happy place, then why does the big cosmic love muffin force us to go through this terrestrial charade? It is, lets face it, a few short years of abject misery for many. Why not just dispense with the game and create souls directly in heaven, where its all skittles and beer? Then he wouldn't have had to send himself here as his son to get the crap kicked out of himself, which through some incomprehensible logical gymnastics is supposed to open the gates of the happy house to the rest of the inhabitants of our little orb. It sure would have been a lot less trouble to all involved if we could all just go directly to the heavenly candy shop. |
The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley
The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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Siberia
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Posted - 10/20/2004 : 13:59:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
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Originally posted by verlch
I don't think God would take you to a place you wouldn't be happy in.
So why are you here on earth? If all he wants is for us to be in a happy place, then why does the big cosmic love muffin force us to go through this terrestrial charade?
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"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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chaloobi
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verlch
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 19:32:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
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Originally posted by verlch
I don't think God would take you to a place you wouldn't be happy in.
So why are you here on earth? If all he wants is for us to be in a happy place, then why does the big cosmic love muffin force us to go through this terrestrial charade? It is, lets face it, a few short years of abject misery for many. Why not just dispense with the game and create souls directly in heaven, where its all skittles and beer? Then he wouldn't have had to send himself here as his son to get the crap kicked out of himself, which through some incomprehensible logical gymnastics is supposed to open the gates of the happy house to the rest of the inhabitants of our little orb. It sure would have been a lot less trouble to all involved if we could all just go directly to the heavenly candy shop.
Listen man, God is going to do as he wills. Lucifer is to be created and givin a choice to serve God or reject Him. Man was giving the same choice, for good or evil. We choose evil. God does not have his timeframe around His creation. His creation is around Him, created as He pleases and by His rules. Its obvious none of us understand the ways of our Maker. It will be understood in the end! Make your choice now, for better or worse, good and evil. In the end, do you have enough faith to follow after man(666), Devil (555), or God(888)? |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 19:33:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
verlch once again demonstrates that he doesn't have the faintest idea of what evolution is....
I understand enough not to believe it freind. Just studying the human body makes me not believe evolution! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 19:34:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
Verlch is going to hell. God is not pleased with his hypocracy. That's the one sin that pisses Jesus off most. Verlch is going to burn when he dies. Burn forever.
Hell or Heaven, isn't going to make me stop talking about what fills me with peace, and what I love! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 19:56:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by chaloobi
Verlch is going to hell. God is not pleased with his hypocracy. That's the one sin that pisses Jesus off most. Verlch is going to burn when he dies. Burn forever.
Hell or Heaven, isn't going to make me stop talking about what fills me with peace, and what I love!
Ok, this is cool.
However, do not expect everyone to see things as you do.
This is the wonderful thing about sapience; all people look at their world from a different angle. Thus, their viewpoints can be various. Some (yourself) have a great deal of faith, and some (myself) have none.
And so, we converse.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 21:10:59 [Permalink]
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And so, we converse.
verlch isn't capable of conversing. He only attempts proselytize, and spread his demented little reality around.
In order to converse, you have to atleast hear what the other guy is saying. |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 21:25:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
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And so, we converse.
verlch isn't capable of conversing. He only attempts proselytize, and spread his demented little reality around.
In order to converse, you have to atleast hear what the other guy is saying.
Oh I've heard it 'loud' and clear. Just choose not to accept your view point on the origins of life! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 22:23:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Oh I've heard it 'loud' and clear. Just choose not to accept your view point on the origins of life!
Ok, how about agreeing with us about the life that we can see today? |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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Chippewa
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Posted - 10/27/2004 : 00:45:52 [Permalink]
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Verlch: Listen man, God is going to do as he wills.
Chip: Well sure, why not?
Verlch: Lucifer is to be created and givin a choice to serve God or reject Him.
Chip: Well, actually that comes from the ancient Greeks. Its about free will. Lucifer (Devil, Satan, etc.) represents free will. If you want to believe in God, OK then. Symbolically, God loves Satin and set the whole thing up as a lesson in free will.
Verlch: Man was giving the same choice, for good or evil. We choose evil.
Chip: Actually "good" and "evil" are symbolic of "safe" (i.e. in the womb, childhood, or "paradise"), and "evil" is "free will" as in "yes, you can invent the airplane and fly!" (But you might get killed.) You can do great works of good or despicable evil, or you can try to do "the right thing" and do "good works" but end up hurting people anyway. You can be an artist and write beautiful music, that some people hate. That's the price we pay for "eating from the Tree of Knowledge." Its all symbolic of life and responsibility and goes back to pre-Christian peoples. The Bible adopted many legends and folklore like that.
Verlch: God does not have his timeframe around His creation. His creation is around Him, created as He pleases and by His rules.
Chip: In other words, if the universe has rules, we can study them because we are in reality the Earth looking at itself. Why are we "the Earth looking at itself?" One reason is that the calcium in our bones owes its atomic origin to super-novas, so we are literally brothers and sisters of the stars. (Much more inspiring than believing in a big bearded white man on a throne, throwing people who don't know his son into a lake of fire.)
Verlch: Its obvious none of us understand the ways of our Maker.
Chip: That's why we have laws and religion as well as science and art.
Verlch: It will be understood in the end!
Chip: Belief in "the end" (as George Bush does) will cause one to do less than their best efforts to prevent another holocaust if in conflicts with their fake fundamentalist beliefs. Cancel doomsday and learn to live and love now.
Verlch: Make your choice now, for better or worse, good and evil. In the end, do you have enough faith to follow after man(666), Devil (555), or God(888)?
Chip: Numerology. Mumbo Jumbo. Welcome to the dark ages again.
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Diversity, independence, innovation and imagination are progressive concepts ultimately alien to the conservative mind.
"TAX AND SPEND" IS GOOD! (TAX: Wealthy corporations who won't go poor even after taxes. SPEND: On public works programs, education, the environment, improvements.) |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 10/27/2004 : 06:33:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Chippewa
Verlch: Listen man, God is going to do as he wills.
Chip: Well sure, why not?
Verlch: Lucifer is to be created and givin a choice to serve God or reject Him.
Chip: Well, actually that comes from the ancient Greeks. Its about free will. Lucifer (Devil, Satan, etc.) represents free will. If you want to believe in God, OK then. Symbolically, God loves Satin and set the whole thing up as a lesson in free will.
Hey, I love Satin, too. I'm thinking about picking up some sheets in it. (Couldn't resist, sorry.)
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Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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