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furshur
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USA
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Posted - 10/13/2004 :  13:35:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send furshur a Private Message
How can these idiots live with themselves. They clearly saw what was going to be posted and freaked out.
Peptide was clearly the most well behaved and polite poster on that entire site.

Golly... I'm just so shocked that the debate didn't work out.

Hopefully, tkster can find an 'evolutionist' that doesn't really understand evolution so he can have fine upstanding christian debate.




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Ricky
SFN Die Hard

USA
4907 Posts

Posted - 10/13/2004 :  13:48:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
Alright, that was the last straw. Fuck this guy. He has Peptide work through coming up with a whole debate, and then calls it off. He is the one running from the debate. I'll be emailing tk for the next two weeks each day (or close to that) with nasty letters, because I can't take this shit any more. Peptide has not violated any of the rules. This is bullshit.

I'll save the rest of my rant for tk.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
13477 Posts

Posted - 10/13/2004 :  15:00:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
Hold off a bit Ricky. I just sent tk an email. Lets see how he replies before you go off on him...

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Why not question something for a change?

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Ricky
SFN Die Hard

USA
4907 Posts

Posted - 10/13/2004 :  15:02:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
Alright, the debate might.... just might still be on.

Peptide, tk says you must defend the charge that kevkev made:

"I am hoping that Peptide will email me his defense as Kevin claimed that Peptide got the user "Proctor" to join" - tk in aim

I then said that Peptide has not violated any rules and that should be enough to allow him to stay. tk agreed. I then asked why he has to defend himself. tk said he would just like to hear Peptide defend himself. I then asked him if Peptide did invite him to the forum, would he be banned. tk replied no.

So whatever, Peptide, he changed your password. Then for whatever reason he told me... lots of security there. So I'll be pm'ing it to you. Anyways, it sounds like if Peptide gets back in, the debate is still on. But that is only how it sounds, tk never explicitly said that.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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Dude
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USA
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Posted - 10/13/2004 :  15:44:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
Can't say I'm suprised.

I knew they wouldn't be treating anyone fairly over there.

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Ricky
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Posted - 10/13/2004 :  16:03:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
Hold off a bit Ricky. I just sent tk an email. Lets see how he replies before you go off on him...


That came a bit late kil, I already sent him a 1.5 page email... heh and I had much more to say, but I wanted to space out the things as to be able to email him again. I didn't even address ccdi9.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
13477 Posts

Posted - 10/13/2004 :  16:37:07   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
Oh well...

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

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Ricky
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4907 Posts

Posted - 10/13/2004 :  16:51:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
He reply was basically that I was let back in the forum. He didn't respond to a single thing I sent him, I wonder if he even read it..

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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Siberia
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Brazil
2322 Posts

Posted - 10/13/2004 :  17:25:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
Mmm, I believe the rule they say Peptide broke is the one about how ONE evolutionist will face ONE creationist or whatever. By posting his unfinished work to us, and asking us to evaluate it, it's essentially done by more than one evolutionist, thereby violating the debate rule.

Childish, but that's what I got from the whole deal.

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- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/13/2004 :  17:51:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
So, how does one defend oneself from an accusation of bringing another person to a forum if one is innocent of doing so? Really, there is little possibility of a positive defense of the charge, as an alibi on the Internet is a ridiculous concept.

The only thing would be to link to a post on some other forum in which Peptide wrote something along the lines of "Proctor, do not join SkepticFriends." But how likely is that?

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Ricky
SFN Die Hard

USA
4907 Posts

Posted - 10/13/2004 :  21:12:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
Mmm, I believe the rule they say Peptide broke is the one about how ONE evolutionist will face ONE creationist or whatever. By posting his unfinished work to us, and asking us to evaluate it, it's essentially done by more than one evolutionist, thereby violating the debate rule.


Actually, only one evolutionist will be allowed to post. The Creationists are also using a joint effort. I asked tk personally, he said that he didn't think Peptide violated any rule.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard

USA
4574 Posts

Posted - 10/13/2004 :  22:38:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ricky

Alright, that was the last straw. Fuck this guy. He has Peptide work through coming up with a whole debate, and then calls it off. He is the one running from the debate. I'll be emailing tk for the next two weeks each day (or close to that) with nasty letters, because I can't take this shit any more. Peptide has not violated any of the rules. This is bullshit.

Ha, you're sounding like me now, Ricky!

Seriously, though. I'll be super-pissed if he doesn't let Peptide post after all the work he's done. I know research can be its own reward, and Peptide's efforts have enriched all of us here already, but I still want to see how tk and his cronies go about rebutting it. I've no doubt that if they lose the debate it will disappear overnight, but I still want to see what they'll have to say in defense of their precious fairy tale.


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"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

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Edited by - H. Humbert on 10/13/2004 22:39:28
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Dave W.
Info Junkie

USA
26022 Posts

Posted - 10/14/2004 :  06:29:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Here's the aftermath.

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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
13477 Posts

Posted - 10/14/2004 :  07:04:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
Looks like the debate is on then...

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Peptide
Skeptic Friend

USA
69 Posts

Posted - 10/14/2004 :  09:23:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Peptide a Private Message
What the hell!!?? I'll try to get the mess over at skeptictimes cleared up, sending an email to tk now. Funny thing is, he banned atheists but I am not an atheist, I am an agnostic. Oh well, tk has made an apology so I guess the debate is still on.
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