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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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 Posted - 11/10/2004 : 08:10:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Naaaa. You give these guys too much credit. They shoot from the hip. I think tkster did change the rules to accommodate Jimi, but it was not done with any plan in mind. It's just incompetence coupled with an incomplete ethical compass. Fact is, on their radio show, they joked about how easy it will be to rebut peptides arguments. (I'm too lazy to get that link.)
I don't know if the radio show was recorded before or after peptides rebuttal.
These guys do a radio show?!? Oh do link it-- it'd love to hear this (even if it serves to disprove my theory that jimi, kevkev, tksgurl, etc. are all imaginary friends dreamt up by tkster, who is really some home-schooled loser living as an only child in west Texas with über-evangelical parents)! |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 11/10/2004 : 10:01:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
These guys do a radio show?!? Oh do link it-- it'd love to hear this (even if it serves to disprove my theory that jimi, kevkev, tksgurl, etc. are all imaginary friends dreamt up by tkster, who is really some home-schooled loser living as an only child in west Texas with über-evangelical parents)!
Though the first part of the idea (imaginary friends) is refuted, the second part is still pending... |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 11/10/2004 : 13:03:44 [Permalink]
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Cuneiformist wrote:quote:
Well, Jimi's now had a week and just over four days...
And by my count, jimi's made 29 posts since Peptide posted his rebuttal, six of them just this week, and two of those talking about Mercola articles he's read. It's not like he's been busy studying or anything. |
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Plyss
Skeptic Friend
Netherlands
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Posted - 11/10/2004 : 13:53:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
http://skeptictimes.golivewire.com/creation.html scroll down to the radio shows and listen to the last one...
Oh yee gods. And there's 91 minutes and 29 seconds of it. |
Miss Tick sniffed. 'You could say this piece of advice is pricesless', she said. 'Are you listening?'
'Yes' said Tiffany.
'Good now...If you trust in yourself.."
'Yes..?'
'..and believe in your dreams...'
'yes?'
'...and follow your star..' Miss Tick went on.
'Yes?'
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/12/2004 : 14:02:34 [Permalink]
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"Endo, uhh, the Retroviruses, god, you got to be an idiot if you use that for evidence of evolution. The nylon bug? Oh come on, half of that is made up anyways. And then of course theres the other one which I think JD is going to be debunking that one and I'm going to take the other two." - tkster
"I have to admitt to Peptide, I did not read his entire post. I only just kinda skimming reading here and there. ... I don't want to reach the top 5%, the smart people, I want to let everyone know where I'm coming from."
"No body has 5 hours to sit down and read through, I kept it short and sweet." - jimi
"The longer you post, the more you contradict yourself" - tkster
"Red Herring attacks" - jimi (BWHAHAHAHAHA)
http://skeptictimes.golivewire.com/radio/skeptictimesradio6.zip
Editted to add:
"He talks about intellectuals here of whatever, which is a strawman, I'm not an intellectual. Theres a difference between skeptics and intellectuals. Skeptics doubt, intellectuals tend to think their arguments are flawless." - tkster
"I'm a journalist before I'm a skeptic" - tkster
"If your intended audience is a bunch of atheists, then you can really be skeptical. If your audience is fundamentalists, you have to be skeptical with the agnostic point of view." - tkster
"I use ad hominem attacks ... cause I am a satiric skeptic" - tkster
"If you quote something thats from a book or from a journal and you put it on a website, then it can be a good source" - jd (backing up his source for the debate on skeptictimes)
"We don't prove anything in science, we fail to falsify." - tkster
There you have it everyone, there is no such thing as positive evidence. At least he got the first half right...
"Intellectuals think they know everything" - tkster
Paraphrased: You aren't a skeptic unless you are skeptical of evolution.
"Modern medicine, they just try to use a drug, use chemicals. 'Well we think everything came from chemicals, so we're going to use chemicals' Why don't you look at the body as the body can heal itself" - jd
I wonder when was the last time he took an asprin?
"'We can find it ealier, we can detect it earlier now' How is detecting earlier going to, well if you detect it ealier then there is more of a chance of survival, and you know theres a slight chance, but why aren't we looking for a cure for cancer? We're spending all this money just so that we can detect it earlier and maybe 5 or 10% of people? What the heck? Lets find a cure for cancer." - jd
"Some skeptics doubt doubting" - tkster
Paraphrased: A true skeptic would doubt everything, including the fact that he exists
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Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 11/12/2004 : 14:12:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
"Endo, uhh, the Retroviruses, god, you got to be an idiot if you use that for evidence of evolution. The nylon bug? Oh come on, half of that is made up anyways. And then of course theres the other one which I think JD is going to be debunking that one and I'm going to take the other two." - tkster
"I have to admitt to Peptide, I did not read his entire post. I only just kinda skimming reading here and there. ... I don't want to reach the top 5%, the smart people, I want to let everyone know where I'm coming from."
"No body has 5 hours to sit down and read through, I kept it short and sweet." - jimi
"The longer you post, the more you contradict yourself" - tkster
"Red Herring attacks" - jimi (BWHAHAHAHAHA)
Amazing stuff! Seriously-- the whole retrovirus thing is one of the most convincing arguments for common descent!! And I love that admits to net even reading Peptide's post. Alas.
Tonight, when I'm at home with a faster connection, I'm going to have to have a listen. Anyone else have some gems from the radio show? |
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/12/2004 : 15:36:04 [Permalink]
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Paraphrased: You aren't a skeptic unless you are skeptical of evolution.
Oh, but I am skeptical of the Theory of Evolution. But unfortunatly, I've yet to find any better explaination for those biological process' it discribes. Perhaps tkstr, in his wisdom, can drop by and enlighten me, hmmm?
It comes as small suprise that Peptide's well polished and accurate arguments went mostly unread. Nobody wants their nose rubbed in their own fantasies. At least we here got the benefit of it. We all owe Peptide a big, "Thanks, bro, it was a great read!"
If these guys are skeptics, I'm the Queen of the May.
Hah! I would be the ugliest Queen of the May on record and reign for the shortest time! 
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/12/2004 : 17:55:08 [Permalink]
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Ricky, those quotes... just wow. I'm speechless.
Almost. :)
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"He talks about intellectuals here of whatever, which is a strawman, I'm not an intellectual. Theres a difference between skeptics and intellectuals. Skeptics doubt, intellectuals tend to think their arguments are flawless." - tkster
Who would EVER accuse tkster of being an intellectual? And why on earth would he categorize an intellectual as someone "who thinks their arguments are flawless."
If we go by that definition, then tkster IS an intellectual, since he thinks his own arguments are above reproach. Yes, he's "skeptical" of evolution, but evolution is not a theory to which he subscribes! He would need to be critical of Creationism in order to comply with his own definitions! The mind boggles at his thinking.
Not that we needed a reminder, but these quotes are proof that tkster is a person of poor character and questionable intelligence who has a very skewed opinion of himself. He likes to think himself a free-thinking maverick, a provocative raconteur who adheres to a strict code of personal morality.
In truth, he is but a dishonest pseudo-intellectual, a mere boy deluded by his own idolatry of the shamefully discredited Hovine (his nearly exclusive source of information on these topics). He doesn't understand enough to know that he doesn't understand enough. The fact that he can sweep away whole paragraphs of proof with a lazy "most of that isn't true anyway" should be a clear indication of his lack of intellectual discipline or moral integrity.
What a spineless turd.
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"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
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Posted - 11/13/2004 : 06:25:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Just to add on to my quotes from before:
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If it's connected to money somehow, it's probably fake
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What a critical thinker!!!! Anyone who claims something in order to gain money is probably fake.
By his own reasoning then, tkster (or whoever came up with that gem) belives that 99.9% of bible thumping creationist preachers are fake. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/13/2004 : 08:11:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
quote:
Originally posted by Ricky
Just to add on to my quotes from before:
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depends:
If it's connected to money somehow, it's probably fake
If no money is involved, then it's probably real
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What a critical thinker!!!! Anyone who claims something in order to gain money is probably fake.
By his own reasoning then, tkster (or whoever came up with that gem) belives that 99.9% of bible thumping creationist preachers are fake.
Aren't they?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
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Posted - 11/13/2004 : 08:18:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Just to add on to my quotes from before:
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depends:
If it's connected to money somehow, it's probably fake
If no money is involved, then it's probably real
What a critical thinker!!!! Anyone who claims something in order to gain money is probably fake.
http://skeptictimes.golivewire.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=356
In the skepic folder, no less...
Well, that's settled than. Dr. Dino, ICR and AIG are fakes, since they ask for large donations from the gullible. OTH, no answers in genesis and talkorigins are obviously telling the truth. Why were we having that debate again? |
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`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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Plyss
Skeptic Friend
Netherlands
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Posted - 11/13/2004 : 09:53:30 [Permalink]
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| Ricky, i can't believe you actually sat through that whole hour-and-a-half. Where do you find the time? ;) |
Miss Tick sniffed. 'You could say this piece of advice is pricesless', she said. 'Are you listening?'
'Yes' said Tiffany.
'Good now...If you trust in yourself.."
'Yes..?'
'..and believe in your dreams...'
'yes?'
'...and follow your star..' Miss Tick went on.
'Yes?'
'You'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy. Goodbye.' |
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