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walt fristoe
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USA
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 Posted - 11/03/2004 : 11:49:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
Look on the bright side!
If Mr. Shrub cheats, er, wins again, it's four years and no more!
How does it work over there? So confusing.
If we have four more years of this school-yard-bully mentality in the White House, we may not get another presidential election in this country. In another four years we may not have a country left!
If the religious right keeps their hound-dog Jesus-surrogate in power, they absolutely will not stop until they've instituted Christianity's version of Sharia Law. They are well on their way to instigating Armageddon. They believe that Earth's destruction will assure their eternal bliss! They will not let reason, sanity or anything else stand in their way, and they will keep gnawing away at our Constitution until there is nothing left of it, at which point they will force the country to worship the Bible as the source of all laws.
And in the attempt by the sane among us to re-establish a rational government, the country may very well tear itself apart.
And that's not even considering the effects of contiued terrorism in the country and the world.
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Wendy
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 11/03/2004 : 12:02:31 [Permalink]
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I am ashamed for my state. I cannot believe Jim Bunning was re-elected. He did everything wrong and still the people brought him back. I fear for my country. What is going on in the minds of people who admit they don't approve of the job the President is doing... yet they vote for him? I'm going to crawl under my desk and suck my thumb now.  |
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
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Posted - 11/04/2004 : 05:31:33 [Permalink]
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| Daily Mirrors front page for today (Thursday, November 4, 2004) |
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Wendy
SFN Regular
USA
614 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2004 : 13:13:40 [Permalink]
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| Thank you, Starman. That's the first time I've laughed since the results came in. Hmmmm, I wonder if I could have that put on a t-shirt... |
Millions long for immortality who don't know what to do on a rainy afternoon.
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Doomar
SFN Regular
USA
714 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2004 : 05:06:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
The US could institute some law/rule to get more people to vote, and still have the decision be voluntary.
Like a higher tax rate for non-voters.
ect,,,
Dude, how 'bout this idea. It's called quorum elections. Each county and state sets a quorum percentage of a super majority (say 70%)of the number of voters needed to certify an election. If any election does not have a quorum (supermajority) of voters turn out, then the winner, will not have officially won the election and a new election will be mandated within a short time. How could we do this? Every eligible voter would be required to register, just like getting a drivers license, maybe at the same time. It would be noted in the records who did and didn't vote, and all non-voters would be taxed with a "non-voter" tax which they'd have to pay with their license fee. This money could only be used in the election process. Each time a citizen failed to vote, the tax would double for them. WHen they finally vote, it would drop to 0$ again. Along with this system would be an "informed voter" requirement, where each voter would need to read some basic information about each candidate. This "quorum voting" idea is in line with how every state legislature works: without a "quorum" or supermajority of legislatures present, no law can be passed and without a "quorum" of voters, no legislature would be certified. In this way we would know that a majority of the people had indeed elected this representative. Now, that's not to say that the new electronic voting might still jimmy the works and some hackers would "stage" the election. That is a problem I'm discussing in "Stolen Election?". |
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 11/05/2004 : 05:33:53 [Permalink]
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Mmm, I don't like the idea of charging people for not voting. For me, that's as much of a violation of the person's rights as compulsory voting. One won't face it as a right, but as a hassle.
Maybe I'm a romantic, but I believe education should enforce that idea, strongly, from tender youth. More than simply babbling in front of a flag. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2004 : 06:18:55 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Siberia
Mmm, I don't like the idea of charging people for not voting. For me, that's as much of a violation of the person's rights as compulsory voting. One won't face it as a right, but as a hassle.
But it is each citizen's personal responsibility to elect the nation's leaders.
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Maybe I'm a romantic, but I believe education should enforce that idea, strongly, from tender youth. More than simply babbling in front of a flag.
That's also true. I'd rather have uninformed people not vote than vote, since too many ignorant people may make the wrong decision without having a clue what they are doing, just look at Ohio and Florida....
Damn, this is so confusing.
With education comes the realization that a vote can make a difference. And hopefully also critical thinking enough to decide what's best for the people. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2004 : 06:27:39 [Permalink]
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Agreein' with Siberia.
However there is a good idea in there; registration should be a lot easier, if not automatic. Just driver's licenses won't be enough, though. Lot's of people never get one. Perhaps it could be done as part of a HS senior class and the dropouts could be nabbed some other way.
Whilst I too have the urge to handload my 12 gauge with strips of bacon rind and hunt down the lazy, ignorant swine that failed to vote when they could have, I still feel that voting should not be at all coersive. We are losing too many freedoms as it is and the freedom to not do something is as important as all of the rest.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2004 : 07:45:25 [Permalink]
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| I'm hearing rumours that Bush talked in a speech about now that the election is over, a reconciliation between both parties, uniting the country again. Is this true? |
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
2322 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2004 : 08:27:26 [Permalink]
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But it is each citizen's personal responsibility to elect the nation's leaders.
It is. Abstaining from this responsibility implies facing the consequences without a right to complain. However, I don't think it should be forced onto people (as it is now, in Brazil); people learn to loathe it and to want to avoid anything about it, then going to vote on whomever just to get over with it. Hence why I think people shoud grow with the knowledge of that responsibility shown to them and 'stuck' on their heads. See it as a necessity, not an obligation, not a fad, not somebody else's job. |
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Stargirl
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 11/05/2004 : 14:55:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
I'm hearing rumours that Bush talked in a speech about now that the election is over, a reconciliation between both parties, uniting the country again. Is this true?
Basically Bush said that he is willing to work with anyone, Republican or Democrat who agrees with his agendas.
So yeah, if you're willing to go along with everything he says then your welcome to join them.
Not exactly an effort to reconcile the country.
It's also clear, at least to me that he has no intention of compromising on any issues.
It's the same old your either with us or against us crap.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2004 : 21:41:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
I'm hearing rumours that Bush talked in a speech about now that the election is over, a reconciliation between both parties, uniting the country again. Is this true?
Yeah, he said it, but let's be honest: if he tilted far-right after being elected with fewer votes than his rival, is he reallygoing to shift to the middle after getting a clear majority?
I suspect that millions of god-fearing idiots citizens were duped when they voted for Bush. Time will tell if he had their welfare at heart... |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 04:56:54 [Permalink]
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I must disagree here. Citizenship and democracy mean more than just voting. Any citizen has the right to complain about anything at any time.
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Abstaining from this responsibility implies facing the consequences without a right to complain.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 05:33:45 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
I'm hearing rumours that Bush talked in a speech about now that the election is over, a reconciliation between both parties, uniting the country again. Is this true?
Yeah, he said it, but let's be honest: if he tilted far-right after being elected with fewer votes than his rival, is he reallygoing to shift to the middle after getting a clear majority?
I suspect that millions of god-fearing idiots citizens were duped when they voted for Bush. Time will tell if he had their welfare at heart...
Considering his shameful campaign against Kerry, I would have thought him smart enough to realise he burned his bridges. "Go fuck yourself" is what I would have told him when he starts talking about reconciliation. He has time and time again proved himself unworthy of trust. It's time to take a stand and give him the finger. Tell him the buck stops right there. Of course, this is just rhetoric on my pars since I'm not an American citizen, I have nothing to say about these thing. But I'm not voluntarily going to put my foot on American soil as long as that piece of trash is president. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2004 : 06:10:27 [Permalink]
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Let the monkey fling his feces for the moment. I think that this next four years will be among the most contentious in our history since the Civil War. At least half of the voting population will tell him to go fuck himself, and express regret that they will never get the opportunity to say it to his face. :regret:
I wonder if he'll serve the full four. I wonder if all the deceit will catch up to him before the term is done.
I've started putting all of the flag-style, postage stamps I use on upside down. T'ain't much and it's kinda silly, but it's a start.
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