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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
USA
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 Posted - 11/05/2004 : 14:17:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rubicon95
Thought Paine was a Deist.
Diest yes, christian no:
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I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life.
I believe the equality of man, and I believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy.
But, lest it should be supposed that I believe many other things in addition to these, I shall, in the progress of this work, declare the things I do not believe, and my reasons for not believing them.
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
Check out:
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/thomas_paine/age_of_reason/part1.html
and
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/thomas_paine/age_of_reason/part2.html
and
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/thomas_paine/ans_bishop_llandaff.html
for lots more. |
The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley
The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2004 : 15:15:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by creation88
Not to gloat but...WOOHOO! *does a victory dance*
It is a great day to be a Republican. I stayed up till 5:30AM this morning so that I could sleep well, knowing that America had made the right decision. The good news kept pouring in. Not only has Bush defeated Kerry, but the Senate minority leader Tom Daschle has been beaten in South Dakota.
It pleases me so much that the American people had the wisdom to see what a politicly scary individual John Kerry really is.
Hey between my Patriots winning, my Red Sox winning, and now Bush, I'm really getting used to this winning thing! :)
Well, now you will have the chance to find out why the rest of us 49% saw how scary re-electing Bush would be. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2004 : 15:25:08 [Permalink]
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Speaking on the "morals" BS, I somehow find "collateral damage" way more immoral than gay marriage and stem cell research.
It seems to me that an overt policy of not counting dead Iraqi children and, in fact, not allowing anyone else to report on numbers of dead Iraqi children passing through the city morgues is a pretty immoral way to prevent dissent. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
4826 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2004 : 07:48:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rubicon95
Pay-As-You-Go was the fiscal policy of the congress during the Clinton years. If you don't have the money, you don't do the program. That's is why we had a surplus. Now,well we don't have the money or even the projected money but we are spending credit like a impulse buyer with a charge card. Banking on that someday we'll pay it off or get bailed out.
Bush may have the "political capital", but the legislature still creates the laws and approves the budget. They are the ones who need the support and pressure to keep the Republic afloat.
Ashcroft as an SJC?? That's just...interesting. I'd rather have a sitting judge elevated or someone who was well versed in Constitutional law who had practical experience. I don't know if Ashcroft wrote any legal briefs.
The man who uses the Constitution as asswipe as SCJ, scary. Ashcroft never was a judge. He was AG for Missouri, but his tactics caused him to lose that job. He then tried to run for Congress and lost.... to a dead guy. He's written legal breifs. Quite a few were direct assaults on the fourth and sixth amendments to the Constitution. Others are a direct assault on Article I, section 9.
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Sadly, Political campaigns is going to be ad campaigns. Most Americans have an attention span of a goldfish. And the Dems-GOP know it. Character will always be and should be an issue in election. Don't know if you recall Lydon LaRouche. He was a presidential candidate in the 80's (independent-no party affiliation). He had great ideas on the economy and technology but he was megalomaniac.
LaRouche? You're serious? The man who claimed and still does that European countries can call in the money in our pockets? The man who in his 1980 campaign for President couldn't explain how he could pay for his house on the income and holdings he had? The guy who spent time in Club Fed for income tax evasion?
The little whackjob is still running for President since he got out. It's just you don't hear about it too much outside of Illinois.
I think you're confusing LaRouche with Nader. |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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Rubicon95
Skeptic Friend
USA
220 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2004 : 12:58:01 [Permalink]
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Nope I'm not confusing Nader with LaRouche. I was young and the epitome of why teenagers (or certain teenagers) shouldn't be given the right to vote. LaRouche had this idea of declaring a national economic emergency to cancel the debt. He even had an informercial on a local channel in New England during prime time. It started with this "vision" of landing some-one on Mars.
Any way I voted for Mondale.
The SOB is still running?!?! I thought he was still in prison.
It taught me 2 things, One - How easy it is to dupe people with slick presentations, Two ignorance is not bliss --- Just stupid. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
4826 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2004 : 13:08:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rubicon95
Nope I'm not confusing Nader with LaRouche. I was young and the epitome of why teenagers (or certain teenagers) shouldn't be given the right to vote. LaRouche had this idea of declaring a national economic emergency to cancel the debt. He even had an informercial on a local channel in New England during prime time. It started with this "vision" of landing some-one on Mars.
Any way I voted for Mondale.
The SOB is still running?!?! I thought he was still in prison.
It taught me 2 things, One - How easy it is to dupe people with slick presentations, Two ignorance is not bliss --- Just stupid.
Yup still running.
http://larouchein2004.net/
Served 5 years of a 15 year sentence. (1988-1993) But it didn't stop him from running in 1992 while in prison.
Hey, even the young and inexperienced should have the right to vote. |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
Brother Cutlass of Reasoned Discussion |
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