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Siberia
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 Posted - 12/01/2004 : 05:49:50 [Permalink]
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He's entertaining, in the least.
And no, Verlch, I don't detest the Bible. I carry one in my college bag all the time, to read when I've the time. I might not be a paranoid fundie like you, but no, I don't detest the Bible at all. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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tkster
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2004 : 18:46:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Good job, seems like small pickens. Perhaps with all those answers you have for a book you detest maybe you have an answer to explain 'why you are here?'
Lie one: I do not detest the Bible, I've read it 17 times, how is that even possible. It is an awesome book, it is just wrong.
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Where did you come from and who put you here and what is your purpose?
I am hoping my purpose isn't to answer fools like you or else I am in trouble.
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Why do you have fath in a theory that has drawings, pictures of skulls and badly decomposed skeletons to prove its 'theory' as fact?
Strawman. To be fair, you don't know what aspects of evolution I may or may not accept. When people declare "fossil evidence" I do laugh. But then again, you probably haven't ever read Gould have you?
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The bible has plenty of prophesy that is true and held to be true. Darwinism predicted millions of fossils proving his theory.
I just showed MANY times that the Bible has been WRONG in prophecy, at least over 50 times. If the Bible is wrong just ONCE, then it is wrong.
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There are there he proclaimed, yet no fossils in direct transition are found. The only transition fossils we find are drawings and lots of writing on what they would look like. This is all for trillions of species and fossils! Your work is cut out for you men!
Strawman! Again, you are posting against gradualism. Perhaps if you heard me on IG's show you would know that like Gould, I don't accept the "transition fossils" idea. Please learn more about evolution then just gradualism before you make blanket statements.
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 12/01/2004 : 19:04:17 [Permalink]
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The bible has plenty of prophesy that is true and held to be true. Darwinism predicted millions of fossils proving his theory.
I just showed MANY times that the Bible has been WRONG in prophecy, at least over 50 times. If the Bible is wrong just ONCE, then it is wrong.
You might as well as say these quotes are from people who are nitpicking the bible on points that mean very little! I suggest you learn Hebrew and find if they still mean the same!
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2004 : 19:32:11 [Permalink]
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tkster, you must understand that verlch must tell himself lies in order to maintain his self-righteous indignation. Lies such as that anyone who argues against the King James Version of the Bible in any way hates it, that people who accept evolution in any way have "faith" in it, that there are no transitional fossils, or that stars are not being born or dying (different thread).
And there are transitional fossils. Gould's punctuated equilibria explain the general lack of transitional fossils at the genus level and below, but not the transitionals we do have at higher levels, like Archeopteryx. Don't forget that "transitional fossil" only means that it displays the characters of two different groups, and Archeopteryx displays characters from both dinosaurs and birds. |
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Why not question something for a change?
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tkster
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2004 : 21:17:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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The bible has plenty of prophesy that is true and held to be true. Darwinism predicted millions of fossils proving his theory.
I just showed MANY times that the Bible has been WRONG in prophecy, at least over 50 times. If the Bible is wrong just ONCE, then it is wrong.
You might as well as say these quotes are from people who are nitpicking the bible on points that mean very little! I suggest you learn Hebrew and find if they still mean the same!
My apologies, but again, I DO know what it says and it is wrong. Haven't you ever read Bertrand Russell at all? Just a little bit?
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tkster
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2004 : 21:20:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
tkster, you must understand that verlch must tell himself lies in order to maintain his self-righteous indignation. Lies such as that anyone who argues against the King James Version of the Bible in any way hates it, that people who accept evolution in any way have "faith" in it, that there are no transitional fossils, or that stars are not being born or dying (different thread).
Ah yes, of course. But I still caught him in his own words, if he wants to be in denial, no problem here.
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And there are transitional fossils. Gould's punctuated equilibria explain the general lack of transitional fossils at the genus level and below, but not the transitionals we do have at higher levels, like Archeopteryx. Don't forget that "transitional fossil" only means that it displays the characters of two different groups, and Archeopteryx displays characters from both dinosaurs and birds.
I've read a lot about Archeopteryx but until I see some DNA evidence, I remain highly skeptical. That is why I respected Gould and Patterson for so long even as a Creationist because they were willing to admit that no watertight argument could be made. That isn't to say they don't exist, but rather, we don't know for sure.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2004 : 21:59:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
You might as well as say these quotes are from people who are nitpicking the bible on points that mean very little! I suggest you learn Hebrew and find if they still mean the same!
I can read Hebrew, verlch. And yes, they do mean the same, and they're still wrong.  |
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verlch
SFN Regular
781 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 22:24:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by verlch
You might as well as say these quotes are from people who are nitpicking the bible on points that mean very little! I suggest you learn Hebrew and find if they still mean the same!
I can read Hebrew, verlch. And yes, they do mean the same, and they're still wrong.
Your perceived errors in the bible amuse me. Then you overlook the mass grave evolution lies in. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2004 : 01:08:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by verlch
You might as well as say these quotes are from people who are nitpicking the bible on points that mean very little! I suggest you learn Hebrew and find if they still mean the same!
I can read Hebrew, verlch. And yes, they do mean the same, and they're still wrong.
Your perceived errors in the bible amuse me. Then you overlook the mass grave evolution lies in.
But again, such a lively corpse.
Verlch, just you wishing for it will not make it so.
Say, how'd you like to win the Dine-O-Mite prize? The Big Boomer; the Fire in the Hole? It's easy; all you got to do is debunk the Theory of Evolution.
That's it; just show the world this 'mass grave' and it will all be yours. I'd do it myself, but I already have so many prizes that there's no room left on the shelf.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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tkster
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 12/05/2004 : 10:59:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by verlch
You might as well as say these quotes are from people who are nitpicking the bible on points that mean very little! I suggest you learn Hebrew and find if they still mean the same!
I can read Hebrew, verlch. And yes, they do mean the same, and they're still wrong.
Your perceived errors in the bible amuse me. Then you overlook the mass grave evolution lies in.
I get it. If the Bible is full of lies, just because in your mind evolution is baloney that justifies the Bible lying? 
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2004 : 12:33:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Hey, verlch: if you can find one of these, or one of these, or especially one of these, you'll have demonstrated the "mass grave" theory beyond doubt.
Yes! any of those would put the ToE in it's place: at the bottom of the spectic tank with the rest that scientific shit.
But if those rare creatures cannot be found, there is still the Jackalope, Bigfoot (no, not me, idiot!), Nessie, the Gullywhomper, Mothman, the Hairy Trout, Werepossums, the Hoop Snake, Elvis, Angels, Demons, Beasts with Seven Heads, and George W. Bush's Intellect to be discovered and examined.
Failing all of that, perhaps you can persuade Kil to divulge the current location of Batboy.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2004 : 20:28:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Your perceived errors in the bible amuse me. Then you overlook the mass grave evolution lies in.
And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?!? A quick review, since you have trouble following an argument: 1) tkster noted some problems with Biblical prophecy; 2) you counter tkster's argument by suggesting that they're based on a flawed understanding of the Hebrew (like you can read Biblical Hebrew, but whatever); 3) I noted that as someone who can read Biblical Hebrew, tkster was using perfectly acceptable translations; 4) you announce that you think it's funny that I believe that life's diversity on this planet is due to evolution, and not divine fiat.
Can you see how people think you're crazy? It's not because you link shit about Masons and Babylon and pyramids (though that helps). It's because you appear to have so much trouble following a simply train of thought that only a chemical imbalance can explain your logic. |
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 13:21:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Hey, verlch: if you can find one of these, or one of these, or especially one of these, you'll have demonstrated the "mass grave" theory beyond doubt.
Or at least a fossil of something like that, right Dave! Too bad a fossil like that will not be found! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
SFN Regular
781 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2004 : 13:34:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by verlch
Your perceived errors in the bible amuse me. Then you overlook the mass grave evolution lies in.
And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?!? A quick review, since you have trouble following an argument: 1) tkster noted some problems with Biblical prophecy; 2) you counter tkster's argument by suggesting that they're based on a flawed understanding of the Hebrew (like you can read Biblical Hebrew, but whatever); 3) I noted that as someone who can read Biblical Hebrew, tkster was using perfectly acceptable translations; 4) you announce that you think it's funny that I believe that life's diversity on this planet is due to evolution, and not divine fiat.
Can you see how people think you're crazy? It's not because you link shit about Masons and Babylon and pyramids (though that helps). It's because you appear to have so much trouble following a simply train of thought that only a chemical imbalance can explain your logic.
Perhaps you don't recall myself saying i'm a dyslexic genius? This is the way God made me and it doesn't make me crazy because I don't think like an Imperfectionist...Sorry Cue the world is made up of billions of people that are all different and none in the same! God could have an unlimited amount of people in this universe and we all would be different! Vioce finger prints, ways of thinking (my dear human), much to the empathy of those who have put themselves on a pedestal lording over those that do not think as they do. All the masonic things are in the conspiracy folder, so there.
Israel was captured by Egypt for some time, that could explain the obelisk and other things involved with these people. Daniel was thrown in the lions den by the king of Babylon, and the Lord shut up the mouths of the lions and they didn't eat him. The bible is fine, you just have know it alls combing the pages looking for perceived typos. All we have to do is look at the fossil record and see the pile of bones Darwin and co. are buried in. Evolving from the 'Great Ape' what a crime. An absolute pedastal of mockery to me and my family! A testimate to depravity and coercion. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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