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Dave W.
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Posted - 12/18/2004 :  10:41:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by tkster

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God" is a pretty clear statement.
So you're saying that the Bible says that God cannot (or will not, or did not) inspire metaphor.
quote:
It is true or not.
Indeed, it is either true or false, but it says nothing about the qualities of that inspiration. To read into it "every word in the Bible is strictly and literally true" seems to be a bad idea. It would mean, for example, that Matthew 26:30 describes Jesus and the disciples travelling into a mountain. But, it fails to describe a cave, so they must have actually passed straight into the rock itself.

And Matthew 1:2-16 would have us believe that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Phares, Esrom, Aram, Aminadab, Naasson, Obed, Jesse, Solomon, Roboam, Abia, Asa, Josaphat, Joram, Ozias, Joatham, Achaz, Ezekias, Manasses, Amon, Josias, Jechonias, Salathiel, Zorobabel, Abiud, Eliakim, Azor, Sadoc, Achim, Eliud, Eleazar, Matthan and Jacob all had children without needing a woman. After all, some mothers are mentioned in those verses, so a literal reading would have one assume that where no mother is mentioned, no mother existed.

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tkster
Skeptic Friend

USA
193 Posts

Posted - 12/18/2004 :  12:11:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send tkster a Private Message
Yes and the Bible also says there are "four corners of the earth" blah blah, there aren't. I mean, it says a lot of shit, that isn't true. So if people want to believe it fine, but the truth is if they are going to say it is a "metaphor" where they disagree, I'll just tell them their salvation is a metaphor.

tk
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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
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Posted - 12/18/2004 :  12:25:07   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
Ok, so it seems that anything that is based in live wire is the problem. I cannot access anything having to do with live wire. Strange because everything ells works. Live wire has done something. You might want to tell them tk, since the problems seems to be on their end.

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tkster
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USA
193 Posts

Posted - 12/18/2004 :  14:09:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send tkster a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kil

Ok, so it seems that anything that is based in live wire is the problem. I cannot access anything having to do with live wire. Strange because everything ells works. Live wire has done something. You might want to tell them tk, since the problems seems to be on their end.



I'm sorry, you can't go to www.golivewire.com ?

tk
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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
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Posted - 12/18/2004 :  14:22:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
Nope.

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tkster
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USA
193 Posts

Posted - 12/18/2004 :  20:10:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send tkster a Private Message
Well there doesn't seem to be any block going on. Are you sure you haven't disabled access to that site (it does explain some sexually explicit content) or anything else?

tk
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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
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Posted - 12/18/2004 :  20:33:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
Haven't disabled anything.

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tkster
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USA
193 Posts

Posted - 12/18/2004 :  21:48:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send tkster a Private Message
What browser are you using? I mean, Live Wire hasn't blocked anyone to my knowledge.

tk
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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
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Posted - 12/18/2004 :  22:01:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
Im using Safari, IE and Mozilla. Doesn't work with any of them... They are doing something that effects macs I guess.

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Siberia
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Brazil
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Posted - 12/19/2004 :  05:30:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kil

Im using Safari, IE and Mozilla. Doesn't work with any of them... They are doing something that effects macs I guess.


It's possible. Macs don't have full compatibility with some programming languages, or so I'm told.

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Ricky
SFN Die Hard

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Posted - 12/19/2004 :  10:13:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Siberia

quote:
Originally posted by Kil

Im using Safari, IE and Mozilla. Doesn't work with any of them... They are doing something that effects macs I guess.


It's possible. Macs don't have full compatibility with some programming languages, or so I'm told.



If you compile something in C or C++ on a Windows machine, no, it won't work on a Mac. Same with assembly. However, the internet isn't really a programming language. It should work on macs as well as windows. My guess is something is wrong with the connection or maybe they have blocked you from their servers.

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Siberia
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Brazil
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Posted - 12/19/2004 :  10:32:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ricky

quote:
Originally posted by Siberia

quote:
Originally posted by Kil

Im using Safari, IE and Mozilla. Doesn't work with any of them... They are doing something that effects macs I guess.


It's possible. Macs don't have full compatibility with some programming languages, or so I'm told.



If you compile something in C or C++ on a Windows machine, no, it won't work on a Mac. Same with assembly. However, the internet isn't really a programming language. It should work on macs as well as windows. My guess is something is wrong with the connection or maybe they have blocked you from their servers.


It isn't one, but uses some - take ASP, for example. For all effects, it's a programming language.

Nevertheless, I don't think there are any internet-wise PLs that won't work with Macs... different browsers, yes, but not whole OSs. At least, I don't know of any.

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tkster
Skeptic Friend

USA
193 Posts

Posted - 12/19/2004 :  10:37:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send tkster a Private Message
Well plenty of Mac users access Live Wire and David hasn't blocked anyone to his site, so I don't know why he can't access any of it. The only thing I can figure is some sort of internet filter or maybe his ISP provider has blocked Live Wire.

tk
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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
13477 Posts

Posted - 12/25/2004 :  22:35:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
Well, it seems I can get in using AOLs browser. Go figure. My other three browsers don't work. I tried AOL last cause I hate it. Heard your radio show, tk. I have to disagree with your take on a few issues but we can get into that another time. Anyhow, I thought you might like to know that I can access your forum now… I wish it would go back to the way it used to be though. Using AOL is such a drag…

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tkster
Skeptic Friend

USA
193 Posts

Posted - 12/26/2004 :  11:12:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send tkster a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kil

Well, it seems I can get in using AOLs browser. Go figure. My other three browsers don't work. I tried AOL last cause I hate it. Heard your radio show, tk. I have to disagree with your take on a few issues but we can get into that another time. Anyhow, I thought you might like to know that I can access your forum now… I wish it would go back to the way it used to be though. Using AOL is such a drag…



Well I haven't IP blocked anyone and David hasn't either, so I'm not really sure what the deal is, but nothing is blocked on our end.

tk
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