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verlch
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 Posted - 12/17/2004 : 12:51:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by verlch
They say that when Benny Hinn is knocking over the crowds he is actually casting demons into them! Not helping them!
http://www.pfo.org/bhnecro.htm
Well, I wouldn't ge so far as to say 'demons,' but what he does might be considered to be much the same thing. He lies and instills false hopes among those who badly need comfort, and takes their money for it. Much the same as any con-artist, but a lot more heartless. He preys upon the weak and the crippled.
But Filthy how do you explain the fact that he knocks people over? He can knock over the audience right in front of him. I've seen him do it. If he is not of God that he is a false prophet. He believes in that woman who is dead and claims to see her in visions. Unless you can get 20,000 people to fall over at the same time, I don't get what power is doing it? |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dave W.
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Posted - 12/17/2004 : 20:34:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Storm
I don't doubt he is a charleton . I have no proof.
What more proof do you need than that he's claimed to have healed people who were not healed? He doesn't say he might have healed them, he claims to absolutely have healed them. It's a lie.quote:
But people do come back to him over and over for many years.
Popularity is no guarantor of correctness. The idea that the Earth was flat was extremely popular for many years. It wasn't true. The idea that women or blacks are so inferior to white men that they can't be trusted to vote was also highly popular, and also false. Would you like more examples?quote:
As far as the medical community for years we did not hear about side effects of certain medications although side effects were known.
This is complete and utter crap. Just because you didn't read the warnings on the drugs you may have used doesn't mean that nobody gave you the information. That's been the law for ages. Your ignorance of the pages of warnings included with prescription drugs has no bearing on whether or not those warnings were available for you to read.quote:
Now you here so much about them you don't even want to take the drug in fact some are worse than the actual reason you had to take them. My favorite are the ED side effects ads!!!!! I did not realize eight hours could be a bad side effect
Do you know what the difference is between then and now? Just five years ago, pharmaceutical companies could not advertise prescription drugs on TV and radio. Having to verbally describe the side effects and other warnings of the drug within the ads was the only way the government would allow the ads. Look at a magazine ad for a popular drug, and look at the half-page (or more) of tiny text which goes into it. The TV ads are a poor substitute for all of that, but such is the compromise.
Honestly, your entire argument appears to be "both Benny Hinn and the drug companies kill people, so I'm not going to say that Hinn is nothing but a liar." But that's idiotic. If both of them are killing people by lying to them, shouldn't you be arguing against both of them?
The fact is, the two aren't comparable. Drug companies don't tell you that they've got divine miracles to sell you. Faith is not required for drugs to function. Drugs are tested in numerous ways prior to being legal for sale. Drug companies can be held liable for drugs which fail to function, or which kill people. The idea that Benny Hinn is anything like this is simply stupid. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 12/17/2004 : 20:39:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
But Filthy how do you explain the fact that he knocks people over? He can knock over the audience right in front of him. I've seen him do it.
No, you haven't. You've seen a bunch of people fall over, and Hinn claim responsibility.
The fact is, verlch, that those people are so desperate to believe in Hinn that they help him to lie to other people, by falling over on cue. It's nothing but psychology.
Unless you think that God is working through football players in order to force crowds to do "the wave." |
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 12/18/2004 : 00:40:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by verlch
But Filthy how do you explain the fact that he knocks people over? He can knock over the audience right in front of him. I've seen him do it.
No, you haven't. You've seen a bunch of people fall over, and Hinn claim responsibility.
The fact is, verlch, that those people are so desperate to believe in Hinn that they help him to lie to other people, by falling over on cue. It's nothing but psychology.
Unless you think that God is working through football players in order to force crowds to do "the wave."
You won't catch me in that crowd perhaps an evolutionist can go to him the next time he is in town and find out if there is anypower to the jesture. You would think there would be somebody there in the front row that would keep standing and not fall over!
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2004 : 00:58:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
You won't catch me in that crowd perhaps an evolutionist can go to him the next time he is in town and find out if there is anypower to the jesture. You would think there would be somebody there in the front row that would keep standing and not fall over!
You might think that, but I wouldn't suggest that Hinn's people are so stupid as to not reserve the vast majority of the seats for repeat "customers." Plus, if you think you're going to be able to see one person standing among the chaos of 20,000 people falling down, you're probably mistaken.
Come on, verlch, use the brain you claim God gave you. Hinn is creating religious theater, especially when he knows his shows will be televised or otherwise recorded. If those most in need of a truly miraculous healing are kept as far away from the stage as possible, it's quite clear that audience seating is very carefully managed to produce the desired effects.
Sure, a skeptic could infiltrate the "system" and attempt a defiant stand (), but for the TV audience there's this thing called "editing," and the live audience is likely to not care that a single person didn't go along with the mass devotional demonstration. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/18/2004 : 03:43:16 [Permalink]
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It's what I like to think of as the True Believer Syndrome. A True Believer will do whatever he feels the object of his belief expects. Thus, tongues-speakers gibber and holy-rollers clutter the aisles of various churches around the country. And members of Hinn's audience get on stage with him and fall down, as is expected of them. The human mind is such that I'm sure some (most?) of them don't even realize they're falling until the guy behind them catchs them.
As Dave has mentioned, there is also the desperation factor. Many of these people are gravely ill; crippled. If falling down will help pastor Benny heal them, then by gosh and gum, fall they will!
That's one reason there has never been a geunine paraplegic on a stage with Benny Hinn. To fall down, he'd actually have to get up out of the chair; have to be healed. And neither Hinn nor any other 'faith' healer is up to it.
I've wondered if he's ever put ringers in. He may well have in his earlier days, we'll never know for sure, but today, with so many True Believers to put on the show for him, he doesn't need to.
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