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Storm
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 Posted - 12/17/2004 : 15:50:01 [Permalink]
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| Agree that there can be fraud. I believe it is the manifestation of the Divine something spiritual the result of an inspiration. Let us not forget Verlch God did manifest himself in the pysichal body of Jesus Christ |
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Rubicon95
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 12/17/2004 : 15:57:10 [Permalink]
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From what I have known of Speaking in Tongues, it is supposed to be a manifestation of the Holy Spirit of God. Pentecostals believe that this shows you are truly baptized in the Spirit. I have been at Pentecostal's service and heard this. Being a new believer at that time, my initial impression was this is whacked and grand standing.
In the Book of Acts, Peter is speaking to a large crowd and is understood by all the nationalities present. My take on that is this. Peter did suddenly start speaking in foreign tongues. Rather, Peter spoke in his native tongue and that people in the crowd heard in their own language. That is just my interpertation.
As I have learned more of Christianity and the divisions, ane of premises of it is that one has the gift of tongues and another in the congregation has the gift of interpetation.
Speaking in Tongues is not accepted by all the divisions. Some believe that it's time has past and holds no more revelance.
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 12/17/2004 : 18:59:39 [Permalink]
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In the Book of Acts, Peter is speaking to a large crowd and is understood by all the nationalities present. My take on that is this. Peter did suddenly start speaking in foreign tongues. Rather, Peter spoke in his native tongue and that people in the crowd heard in their own language. That is just my interpertation.
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Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
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Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 12/17/2004 : 19:01:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
What's up fellas? Hey my thoughts on babbeling in tounges is that it is fraud. Religous fraud. People desire to see some visual example of God manifesting Himself in the physical for them to really believe.
When Jesus and His disciples where preaching 2000 years ago, the crowds that gathered to hear them speak did not all know Hebrew. So there was a miriacle everbody there heard them preach in his own language! That is what speaking in tounges was meant to do. Going md bdu gibber gibber mmum mum cloooc ribbeeeer isn't bringing any glory to God! In fact I think it is doing a disservice to true christians!
Not to say there isn't alot of good humans doing it! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 12/18/2004 : 17:23:39 [Permalink]
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Wow... I never thought I'd ever see Verlch and filthy is such an agreement.
Being an ex-pentacostal, they are right. It is fraud and grandstanding. The thing is, the pentacostals believe it is/they are for real, so much that they can't see it themselves.
They are so caught up in the act they can not tell they are a part of the fraud. And I know, because I've lived it. It's really sad!
And it makes my blood boil, the fact that I let myself get sucked/suckered into it.
The good thing is, I've been free of it the last ten years. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/18/2004 : 18:51:31 [Permalink]
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Pentacostals crack me up....
They are so funny to watch... first time I saw some in action with the gibbering I cried tears of laughter.
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Chippewa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 12/18/2004 : 20:08:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Pentacostals crack me up....They are so funny to watch... first time I saw some in action with the gibbering I cried tears of laughter.
Then do check out this website:
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and click on the "Robert Tilton Fun & Games Page" for some hilarious sound samples.  |
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
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Posted - 12/20/2004 : 02:04:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Storm
Sarman have you not had more than "nice" experiences?
It was an understatement. quote:
You do not believe in the support and numerous journals I have given you. I have led you to many researches, etc. It does not take merely a few days to understand and grasp things but years and it never stops evolving. I have been studying the paranormal for 20 years.
Still you can't provide us with a single documented example. You have not lead us to many researches. You have given us links to web sites some of them containing fundamental errors. (Which is not very convincing.)
Give us an example (one is a good start). Argue why this example is real then provide links to references so we can check for our selves.
"Look it up!" is not an argument. It just shows that you have no argument and gives me no reason whatsoever to check your links.
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While the phenomeno exists which is not deniable the funding and perhaps the methods that science is using is not right. How long did it takes to harnass radio waves, electricity, phones? I believe the energy of ghostly phenomenon comes from energy decomposing during death. You disagree. The fact that neither is provanble so neither is right or wrong.
No! This is the whole point! I have never claimed anything about the existence or non-existence of ghosts(or telepathy, spirits etc.) You have but you have not provided any evidence to support your claims.quote:
We all are searching for truths you and I my Skeptic friends that interest us.
You don't appear to be searching for the truth. You seem to be looking for info that support your preconceived ideas.
That is not the same thing! |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2004 : 10:12:08 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dude
Pentacostals crack me up....
They are so funny to watch... first time I saw some in action with the gibbering I cried tears of laughter.
Indeed. Now-a-days I too laugh at it. It's funny in a sad kind of way. |
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Baxter
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 06/13/2006 : 16:30:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
quote:
Originally posted by Dude
Pentacostals crack me up....
They are so funny to watch... first time I saw some in action with the gibbering I cried tears of laughter.
Indeed. Now-a-days I too laugh at it. It's funny in a sad kind of way.
Can you tell me a bit about your pentecostal experiences? |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 06/13/2006 : 17:41:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Baxter
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by Dude
Pentacostals crack me up....
They are so funny to watch... first time I saw some in action with the gibbering I cried tears of laughter.
Indeed. Now-a-days I too laugh at it. It's funny in a sad kind of way.
Can you tell me a bit about your pentecostal experiences?
What is there to say? The power of self-suggestion and self-deception is much greater than people would like to acknowledge.
Pentecostals aren't better human beings than any other flawed people.
(edited for spelling)
By the way, welcome back. Long time no see... |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 06/14/2006 : 02:03:39 [Permalink]
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| There are lots of religious ceremonies where people get carried away and believe they are in a trance of some form. Voodooism comes to mind. It's psychological. Unless you believe these folks are possessed but there's never been good evidence for that hypothesis. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 06/14/2006 : 08:09:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Baxter
I would like to know your opinion on "speaking in tongues."
Do you believe it is supernatural, or do you reason it to be some sort of psychological phenomena?
Or perhaps neither?
Considering that some churches sell books to assist you in speaking in toungues, I'm voting for ego stroking psychological one-upmanship.
Sorry, my brother has belonged to such churches. I find those church to be highly suspect. Speaking in toungues is a Charismatic subsect religious tenet. It has no established basis in reality. |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/14/2006 : 10:26:23 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by verlch
In the Book of Acts, Peter is speaking to a large crowd and is understood by all the nationalities present. My take on that is this. Peter did suddenly start speaking in foreign tongues. Rather, Peter spoke in his native tongue and that people in the crowd heard in their own language. That is just my interpertation.
Hmm he must have handed out Babel fishes.
This topic is creeping me out Verlch is making sense in multiple posts, if Storm flips on us Im going to freak. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 06/14/2006 : 12:27:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
This topic is creeping me out Verlch is making sense in multiple posts, if Storm flips on us Im going to freak.
For one thing, you quoted verlch quoting Rubicon95. For another thing, verlch last posted to this thread almost 18 months ago (Baxter only revived it yesterday). |
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