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chaloobi
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 Posted - 01/06/2005 : 11:44:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Shacal
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Tell me if I have missed something but aren't these statements mutually exclusive?
Also, why all the speculation about what it could be? What evidence do you have for a "shadow civilization" living "in" us?
This sounds to me like an argument from ignorance: the calculations (perhaps incorrect or incomplete) say there should be more matter, but because their is no way to detect any, wild speculations fly.
Aw chill out Shac.
1. I specifically said they're WORKING ON DETECTING IT. Which means afaik they have NOT YET DETECTED IT. The only evidence that it exists is major gravitational anomalies. That's the only reason they're currently trying to detect it. Never did I say it's a sure thing that it exists.
2. I started that last post with this line: quote:
You know it does open an interesting field of conjecture for those supernaturally inclined.
If that didn't clue you in that it was all wild-ass and fun speculation, then what would???? CLEARLY I'm not claiming there's a shadow civlization living in us, THAT'S why I gave no evidence. The POINT of the statement was to speculate. If you don't like speculation, too bad. Don't read it. |
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Shacal
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 12:59:23 [Permalink]
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Alright, but I hope you can see how I might have misinterpreted what you were saying. Your subject post:
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We are all awash in dark matter ... And so are YOU. And everything else. Freaky, ain't it?
This left me a little confused, and then your explanatory post DID sound like something storm would say:
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You know it does open an interesting field of conjecture for those supernaturally inclined. The dark matter concept gives a means by which a whole universe, completely undetectable, can exist not only side by side with our own, but actually WITHIN it. Because it is influenced by gravity, dark matter pools in the exact same locations as our stars and worlds have pooled. Our planet has a shadow dark-matter planet existing in the EXACT SAME LOCATION IN SPACE. The same goes for our sun, and so on. Current theory is the dark matter is nubulous and does not interact chemically with itself, and so cannot form complex structures, but who the hell knows? We can't even detect the stuff, much less determine if there are properties by which it might interact with itself. What if these dark matter particles CAN interact with each other? What if they form worlds and stars with their own completely descreet chemical properties and have even evolved to living organisms? There could be a shadow civilization, living, thinking beings moving around and through us right now, completely undetectable. Wow, I say.
Sorry if I missed the sarcasm. |
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 13:03:34 [Permalink]
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Alright, but I hope you can see how I might have misinterpreted what you were saying. Your subject post:
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This left me a little confused, and then your explanatory post DID sound like something storm would say:
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Sorry if I missed the sarcasm.
Ok, fair enough. For clarification, the thread title was intended to attract people's attention and get a conversation going about dark matter, why scientists think it exists, and what the implications of current theory are. Someone mentioned the supernatural and I couldn't resist throwing out some wild-ass speculation. It's fun. Enjoy it! |
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furshur
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 01/07/2005 : 09:12:55 [Permalink]
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We may or may not be awash in dark matter. A sound HYPOTHESIS has been presented and now the authors are going to try to detect these WIMPs to test the HYPOTHESIS.
If WIMPs are in fact weakly interacting then they should be able to be detected eventually, again like the work that has been done to detect neutrinos.
At this point though, an evil Stan and Cartman are not part of the hypothesis.
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chaloobi
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Posted - 01/07/2005 : 09:39:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
We may or may not be awash in dark matter. A sound HYPOTHESIS has been presented and now the authors are going to try to detect these WIMPs to test the HYPOTHESIS.
If WIMPs are in fact weakly interacting then they should be able to be detected eventually, again like the work that has been done to detect neutrinos.
At this point though, an evil Stan and Cartman are not part of the hypothesis.
You are correct sir! Yeah, it's hard to detect alright. Particle-nucleus collisions are rare and hard to find. Isn't that a lot like how they detected nutrinos? The screwier thing will be if they DON'T find anything. What's causing all that extra gravity, then? But of course, if they don't detect them, it doesnt' mean they're not there. Maybe there's some reason they don't collide with normal matter nucleii. |
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
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Posted - 01/07/2005 : 11:31:39 [Permalink]
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You know, I've lately noticed a completely sourceless nagging itch INSIDE my bones. Have you? I wonder if it's that Dark Matter stuff flowing through me all the time? Maybe the flow goes up and down like the tides and sometimes it just itches my bones like hell. Maybe it's where my mind is - as I've lost it and I'm having all kinda hell looking foarkl; ata z.ajt ata4423
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furshur
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Posted - 01/07/2005 : 12:12:30 [Permalink]
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Here is a link talking about detecting neutrinos. There are billions of neutrinos passing through us each second... I am glad that there is almost no interaction with matter.
http://www.astro.ubc.ca/E-Cass/1999-JS/SNO.html
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