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Except when a parent makes a mistake, our law does not kill their children as punishment, much like God did with the 10th plague.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 01/08/2005 : 17:53:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
God hates Sweden.
Now, how do you think my Swedish friend, who lost her sister and nephews, is feeling right now after she saw that (and brought to my attention)?
It's things like that that make me want Hell to exist just so those people could rot in it.
Check out what the people over at Rapture Ready think about that despicable site.
In the third post we have a winner:quote:
God doesn't just hate Sweden or gays, but all of us (including you, me, and Pastor Phelps) because of our sin.
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Wendy
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2005 : 18:21:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Wendy
Okay, verlch, just so I'm sure I understand you correctly, please clarify. You do not deny God hates these people, you simply justify His hatred by saying He has laws and rules?
Did I get it right?
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
Yes, Just as a parent would ask their child not to engage in said behavior. When the do there will be a decree that was broken by the child. Just as God, in His bible, asks us not to engage in certain sinful behavior. Thank goodness for Jesus, God cannot stand the sight of evil. Jesus is standing in the way of the wrath of the Father and asking for more time that all might be saved.
verlch, I have three children and two step-children. They have the ability to anger me, and even to disappoint me, but there is nothing any of them can do that would make me hate them. Nothing.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2005 : 18:26:16 [Permalink]
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Can't access the RR site without registering -- something new.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 01/08/2005 : 20:03:52 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:
Jesus is standing in the way of the wrath of the Father and asking for more time that all might be saved.
But Jesus is God. So God is standing in his own way preventing himself from kicking our asses? You don't have a clue how absurd this is, do you?
<releases Kinnison-like scream>
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Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2005 : 23:13:55 [Permalink]
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 01/09/2005 : 01:12:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Wendy
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Originally posted by Wendy
Okay, verlch, just so I'm sure I understand you correctly, please clarify. You do not deny God hates these people, you simply justify His hatred by saying He has laws and rules?
Did I get it right?
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
Yes, Just as a parent would ask their child not to engage in said behavior. When the do there will be a decree that was broken by the child. Just as God, in His bible, asks us not to engage in certain sinful behavior. Thank goodness for Jesus, God cannot stand the sight of evil. Jesus is standing in the way of the wrath of the Father and asking for more time that all might be saved.
verlch, I have three children and two step-children. They have the ability to anger me, and even to disappoint me, but there is nothing any of them can do that would make me hate them. Nothing.
You don't seem to know much about being a parent, and your God knows even less.
Great, now another Liberal Female thinks I hate children and want to send a natural disaster to teach my children a lesson because I hate them. There is text in the bible that says that God has more thoughts than the sands of the sea about each human that loves Him. With that kind of thought power I think He is light eternity ahead of you! I don't think my God has to stop and ask his creation you for that matter or me for directions on how to referee His planet or universe!
http://www.ldolphin.org/signs.html
Natural disasters are the begining of birth pangs when the Son of Man touches down on the mount of olives.
I don't believe in the rapture. If the rapture that millions of labeled Christians don't have to taste death and God will snatch them up is silly to me. Even the great prophet and many other prophets sleep in the earth, why are millions of Christians greater than them and should have a rapture, wishful thinking! I think it is destructive to tell Christians that they will not be on earth as the Anti-christ makes his rounds is luducrous and potentially soul destroying! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Wendy
SFN Regular
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Posted - 01/09/2005 : 08:56:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Great, now another Liberal Female thinks I hate children and want to send a natural disaster to teach my children a lesson because I hate them.
No, I have no thoughts on that issue as we have not discussed it. (Wait, you're not claiming to be God here, are you verlch?)
Please read carefully. I asked:
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Originally posted by Wendy
You do not deny God hates these people, you simply justify His hatred by saying He has laws and rules?
Did I get it right?
You replied:
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Originally posted by verlch
Yes, Just as a parent would ask their child not to engage in said behavior. When the do there will be a decree that was broken by the child.
(emphasis mine)
In other words, when we break God's rules, He hates us. Good parents don't hate their children. It is wired into most parents to nurture and protect their children so our species will continue. Abusive parents may well hate their children, at least some seem to experience it during abuse.
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Originally posted by verlch
I don't think my God has to stop and ask his creation you for that matter or me for directions on how to referee His planet or universe!
He should certainly ask somebody - preferably not you.
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Originally posted by verlch
I think it is destructive to tell Christians that they will not be on earth as the Anti-christ makes his rounds is luducrous and potentially soul destroying!
What? As opposed to God murdering innocent people?? THAT'S not soul destroying?!
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2005 : 15:49:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Can't access the RR site without registering -- something new.
Damn, I forgot...
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 01/10/2005 : 04:54:25 [Permalink]
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Morality, after all, religion gives the world morality.
Hatred--OK
Bigotry--OK
Cruelty--OK
'God given' genetic tendency to prefer one's own sex--SINNER!! God will put you in hell for having inherited this 'god given' gene.
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 01/10/2005 : 08:50:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Wendy
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Originally posted by Wendy
Okay, verlch, just so I'm sure I understand you correctly, please clarify. You do not deny God hates these people, you simply justify His hatred by saying He has laws and rules?
Did I get it right?
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
Yes, Just as a parent would ask their child not to engage in said behavior. When the do there will be a decree that was broken by the child. Just as God, in His bible, asks us not to engage in certain sinful behavior. Thank goodness for Jesus, God cannot stand the sight of evil. Jesus is standing in the way of the wrath of the Father and asking for more time that all might be saved.
verlch, I have three children and two step-children. They have the ability to anger me, and even to disappoint me, but there is nothing any of them can do that would make me hate them. Nothing.
You don't seem to know much about being a parent, and your God knows even less.
Great, now another Liberal Female thinks I hate children and want to send a natural disaster to teach my children a lesson because I hate them. There is text in the bible that says that God has more thoughts than the sands of the sea about each human that loves Him. With that kind of thought power I think He is light eternity ahead of you! I don't think my God has to stop and ask his creation you for that matter or me for directions on how to referee His planet or universe!
http://www.ldolphin.org/signs.html
Natural disasters are the begining of birth pangs when the Son of Man touches down on the mount of olives.
I don't believe in the rapture. If the rapture that millions of labeled Christians don't have to taste death and God will snatch them up is silly to me. Even the great prophet and many other prophets sleep in the earth, why are millions of Christians greater than them and should have a rapture, wishful thinking! I think it is destructive to tell Christians that they will not be on earth as the Anti-christ makes his rounds is luducrous and potentially soul destroying!
My goodness, didn't bother to read her post, did you? No. Of course not. After all, she must be a "liberal female" who spent all her time divorcing her husband, killing her children, and practicing witchcraft.
What was said was that she was incapable of hating her children. Given the premise that we are all God's children, God should not be able to hate any of us. Yet, Phelps and his hateful followers claim that God hates some of his children based on genetic predispositions.
Oh, wait. You were speaking as God again, weren't you.
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 02/03/2005 : 08:11:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Wendy
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Originally posted by Wendy
Okay, verlch, just so I'm sure I understand you correctly, please clarify. You do not deny God hates these people, you simply justify His hatred by saying He has laws and rules?
Did I get it right?
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
Yes, Just as a parent would ask their child not to engage in said behavior. When the do there will be a decree that was broken by the child. Just as God, in His bible, asks us not to engage in certain sinful behavior. Thank goodness for Jesus, God cannot stand the sight of evil. Jesus is standing in the way of the wrath of the Father and asking for more time that all might be saved.
verlch, I have three children and two step-children. They have the ability to anger me, and even to disappoint me, but there is nothing any of them can do that would make me hate them. Nothing.
You don't seem to know much about being a parent, and your God knows even less.
My God seems to know how to populate a plant with billions of life forms. Something I haven't seen your god, science can't even duplicate the life of a mustard seed let alone tell us how life starts or started!!!
You've tuned God out of your heart completly. How would you know anything about the God that made you. You deny your complexity to mere chance. What do you know about raising a child except what your parents taught you. Who taught the human family? Language and how to be a parent. If you put a baby alone in a closet and you don't let them learn language they will grunt the rest of their lives. God was the first teacher of language to the human family. It makes your heart fill with joy when you try to explain your earthly existance void of a human maker. The funny thing is God could live right next door to you and you would still not believe! So if you can't accept the proof of God you do see, how would you believe in my creator, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob if He even dwelt above your house? My heart desires to try and do the will of my Maker. You couldn't even pay us to believe in your "Doctrines of Devils"!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2005 : 08:41:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Wendy
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Originally posted by Wendy
Okay, verlch, just so I'm sure I understand you correctly, please clarify. You do not deny God hates these people, you simply justify His hatred by saying He has laws and rules?
Did I get it right?
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
Yes, Just as a parent would ask their child not to engage in said behavior. When the do there will be a decree that was broken by the child. Just as God, in His bible, asks us not to engage in certain sinful behavior. Thank goodness for Jesus, God cannot stand the sight of evil. Jesus is standing in the way of the wrath of the Father and asking for more time that all might be saved.
verlch, I have three children and two step-children. They have the ability to anger me, and even to disappoint me, but there is nothing any of them can do that would make me hate them. Nothing.
You don't seem to know much about being a parent, and your God knows even less.
My God seems to know how to populate a plant with billions of life forms. Something I haven't seen your god, science can't even duplicate the life of a mustard seed let alone tell us how life starts or started!!!
You've tuned God out of your heart completly. How would you know anything about the God that made you. You deny your complexity to mere chance. What do you know about raising a child except what your parents taught you. Who taught the human family? Language and how to be a parent. If you put a baby alone in a closet and you don't let them learn language they will grunt the rest of their lives. God was the first teacher of language to the human family. It makes your heart fill with joy when you try to explain your earthly existance void of a human maker. The funny thing is God could live right next door to you and you would still not believe! So if you can't accept the proof of God you do see, how would you believe in my creator, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob if He even dwelt above your house? My heart desires to try and do the will of my Maker. You couldn't even pay us to believe in your "Doctrines of Devils"!!
If God lived right next door and he was really God, not some jack-leg, motor-mouth preacher, of course I'd believe. It would be in defiance of logic and reason to not believe. And so it is with acceptance of the Theory of Evolution. The evidence in it's favor is overwhelming and accurate, as you have been shown ad nauseum. But in defiance of logic and reason, you refuse to look at it. And that's Freedom. I'll lead the horse to water, but if it ain't thirsty, I'll not drown it.
I raised 2 daughters as a single parent. No problems beyond the usual. I'd seen days when I could have cheerfully throttled them both. But, that's pretty much 'the usual' for everybody.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Rubicon95
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 02/03/2005 : 09:12:23 [Permalink]
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Fred Phelps is one of those people my friend would call gene-joke.
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Originally posted by filthyIf God lived right next door and he was really God, not some jack-leg, motor-mouth preacher, of course I'd believe.
Maybe or Maybe not. When you look at the OT the Hebrews saw his power, and were guided by him, yet they distrusted, whined, and complained and disbelieved he could do what he said he would. Only a few stuck by.... Maybe I should call you Joshua? No offense please.
BTW, bravo on raising 2 kids. I mean it. I've been married for 7 months now and the children issue is being banted around. It looks...difficult.
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