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moakley
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 Posted - 01/26/2005 : 05:49:44 [Permalink]
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furshur
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 06:35:08 [Permalink]
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Look at the shape of Africa. It clearly looks like the skull of an early human species, Homo Erectus possibly. Evolution states that man originated in Africa, so this must be a sign. If we look at all of the possible shapes that Africa could have been, I would say the chances of this happening by chance is billions to one. Ergo it is not by chance it was planned.
The only conclusion is that God, aliens or angels made Africa look like that to help us to see the truth of evolution.
PS. Africa looks ahellova lot more like a skull than North America looks like a horse.
edited because I can't spell and there are probably still mistakes
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filthy
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 07:03:58 [Permalink]
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This might be a little off topic, but I find our friend serendipitypublishing's lack of a grasp of evolution, and horse evolution in particular somewhat appaling. So, I'll try to help out a little.
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9. MODERN EQUINES (Recent)
The three-toed horses gradually died out, perhaps outcompeted by the
phenomenally successful artiodactyls (or not). Most of the one-toed
horses in North America also died out, as the Ice Ages started. (The
causes of these extinctions are unknown.) However, Equus was very
successful. Until about 1 million years ago, there were Equus
species all over Africa, Asia, Europe, North America, and South
America, in enormous migrating herds that must easily have equalled
the great North American bison herds. All the horses of South and
North America perished in the late Pleistocene extinctions (the ones
that also wiped out the sabertooths & mammoths). The only members of
Equus -- and of the entire family Equidae -- that survived into
historic times were: Order Perissodactyla, Family Equidae, Genus
Equus, _Equus burchelli_ -- the Plains zebra of Africa, including
"Grant's zebra", "Burchell's zebra", "Chapman's zebra", the half-
striped Quagga, and other subspecies. _Equus zebra_ -- the Mountain
zebra of South Africa. _Equus grevyi_ -- Grevy's zebra, the most
horse-like zebra. _Equus caballus_, the true horse, which once had
several subspecies. _Equus hemionus_ -- the desert-adapted onagers
of Asia & the Mideast. _Equus asinus_ -- the true asses & donkeys of
northern Africa
This excellent site also has the latest version of the horse family tree.
And now for the view from the martyr's severed head: quote:
So how does creation science respond? The only way we can -- with facts. The magazine "Creation ex Nihilo", Vol 14, no.1, (Dec. 1991-Feb 1992) has a short article on page 50 making the following points and more:
1. The horse series was constructed from fossils found in many different parts of the world and nowhere does this succession occur in one location. The series is formulated on the assumption of evolutionary progression, and then used to 'prove' evolution!
2. The number of ribs varies within the series, up and down, between 15, 19 and 18. The number of lumbar vertebrae also changes from six to eight and then back to six.
3. Fossils of the three-toed and one-toed species are preserved in the same rock formation in Nebraska, proving that both lived at the same time, strongly suggesting that one did not evolve into the other (National Geographic, January 1981, p. 74)
Erm, why does a species have to die out because another species evolved from it? But interesting apologetics, anyway. They also have the generosity to link TalkOrigins; unusual in Creationist's sites.
Ok, hijack over. Keep moving, folks; nothing more to see here....
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serendipitypublishing
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 08:01:36 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by serendipitypublishing
I see your point.
How about this painting from the same Lascaux Caves :
What does it represent ?
Isn't it obvious? This clearly shows the internal workings of Mazda's Rotary Engine. Clearly, ancient cave-dwellers were Japanese... |
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Wendy
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 08:03:19 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by serendipitypublishing
I see your point.
How about this painting from the same Lascaux Caves :
What does it represent ?
Well, clearly it's a bull with hemorrhoids, probably punishment for the sin of impregnating the horse depicted next to it. So, I'd have to say this painting proves there is a God.
It's certainly beautiful.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 08:14:08 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by serendipitypublishing
I see your point.
How about this painting from the same Lascaux Caves :
What does it represent ?
As I can't know the artists mind, I haven't a clue. Speculations, maybe. I might speculate that, as these peoples were hunter-gathers, the images had some sort of religious importance; a prayer for the herds to migrate back on time, perhaps.
Who can say? The dots in the horse image could represent tracks or blood spoor. There are thousands of ways to interpret these paintings, but we have no Rosetta Stone to confirm any of them.
So, your guess is as good as mine, except that mine is a little more in line with what is known of these peoples.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 08:18:08 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by serendipitypublishing
I see your point.
How about this painting from the same Lascaux Caves :
What does it represent ?
See the marks in between? It represents the hunt. Fields full of prey and the marks are spear markings from the ritualistic pre-hunt ceremony.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 08:21:49 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
quote:
Originally posted by serendipitypublishing
I see your point.
How about this painting from the same Lascaux Caves :
What does it represent ?
Isn't it obvious? This clearly shows the internal workings of Mazda's Rotary Engine. Clearly, ancient cave-dwellers were Japanese...
No, it's a depiction, miraculously preserved, of the animals migrating to the Ark. A pity it's not more complete. Perhaps the artist got caught in high water before he could finish it.
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chaloobi
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 08:21:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by serendipitypublishing
Yes it does look a little like a horse.
However, that's not the important part.
The drawing found in a cave in France,
which is thought to be 15,000 years old
seems to show a horse along side a series of
dots which takes the shape of the gulf stream.
Look at the horse painting and you'll also see
that there are smaller yellow objects which
are the positions of the islands along the coastline.
There are 2 back legs for the horse, representing florida
and central America.
I'll spell it out for you. When was the gulf stream first discovered ?
How did neaderthals know about the gulf stream ?
Even if God told them about the Gulf Stream, WTF does that have to do with Evolution? And why would God tell neaderthal's anything about the Gulf stream anyway?
Maybe it wasn't God at all, perhaps time travelers from the Future came back and told them about it. And if that's the case, one has to ask why? Maybe it's a message for us to stop our greenhouse gas production because if we don't, the gulf stream will stop and drop Europe into a deep freeze. It's just that the time machine had trouble getting to the right time.
Or maybe it was space aliens that came down and told them about it. Again, the interesting question is why? Well, maybe they were trying to explain to them why it's so nice and warm in Europe. 
Or maybe it was invisible pink unicorns with a penchant for climatology. They told the neanderthals because the proto-humans wouldn't listen and kept throwing rocks at them.
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serendipitypublishing
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 08:37:14 [Permalink]
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Interesting Chaloobi about the Gulf Stream stopping.
I agree, it's open for interpretation. And everyone may see something different depending on their mindset.
I see the Arctic circle.
I can explain why I think it represents the artic circle but I'll take this one more slowly.
Does anyone agree ???
Wendy, the frame of the picture may be beautiful but it's contents might not be. I think the word 'sin' means 'without', doesn't it ? And Religion means 'time'. |
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 08:45:36 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by serendipitypublishing
I see the Arctic circle.
I can explain why I think it represents the artic circle but I'll take this one more slowly.
Does anyone agree ???
Wha...? Uh, no. I don't agree.
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...I think the word 'sin' means 'without', doesn't it ? And Religion means 'time'.
I think you need a new dictionary... |
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Siberia
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 09:04:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by serendipitypublishing
Siberia, trusting the guardian angel takes great learning and skill. You will make many mistakes on the way and self doubt will rise and then rise again but if your faith is there and your will to learn and recognise each lesson is strong then you will gain confidence. In answer to your question, how do you recognise spirit and not flesh, it comes down to consistency and illusions are not consistent. I have done it over the last 2 years. It's an experiment I did with everyone that knows me. When I let them know what I did I'm hoping it will help them to see but until then I still have much work to do in opening that door to my freedom.
I have considered that the paint has been ruined over time but I use this as an arguement for rather than against. Ask yourself why they painted chinese horses in France ? Ask yourself why they didn't paint the front legs ? ask yourself why the yellow objects are the same shape and positions of the islands along the coastline. Ask yourself why the black outline doesn't go all the way round the horse ? Inconsistencies.
But who said an illusion can't be consistent? What is consistence? How can you know consistence, if you never experienced it prior to the 'awakening' moment? How can you know what is a spirit, and what isn't, if you've had no prior reference? There may be no spoon...
As for the horse... well, I happen to be an extreme horse lover. When it comes to horses, I'm worse than a rabid fundamentalist.  Filthy's already partially covered it, but it may not explain the similarity of the horse painted and the horse paintings found in China.
Truth is, the horse as we know it today is a fabrication of human race and bears little to no resemblance with the primitive horses. As it has been demonstrated, horses existed pretty much everywhere in the past, but have been extinguished in America. This is the closest we've got from a primitive horse, the tarpan and the Equus przewalskii przewalskii poliakov, found in Russia and Mongolia:
Tarpan.
Przewalskii.
The przewalskii has faced extinction, but was brought back by the magic of selective breeding from tarpan stock. As you can see, that's not China, but still far from France, no? Well, they aren't the only primitive-looking horses we've got. Let's take a look at the Exmoor pony and the Fjord:
Exmoor.
Fjord.
The similarity to the Lascaux paintings and primitive horses is clear, and those are only two modern examples.
Europe most likely had its fair share of przewalskiis and tarpans in early days, though they were probably extincted and artificially evolved into the beautiful, tall and strong horses that Europe seems to breed so well. Yet their memory is preserved in the sturdy, primitive ponies such as Exmoors, Fjords, etc.
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serendipitypublishing
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 09:19:20 [Permalink]
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I have to say that from Siberia's photos I think the head of the Lascaux paintings looks more like Greenland than any horse in Europe.
Siberia, please can you tell me what the words 'sin' and 'religio' mean ? when translated from Portuguese to English ? |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/26/2005 : 09:35:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by serendipitypublishing
I have to say that from Siberia's photos I think the head of the Lascaux paintings looks more like Greenland than any horse in Europe.
Siberia, please can you tell me what the words 'sin' and 'religio' mean ? when translated from Portuguese to English ?
It must be remembered that the size of the neck differs in stallions and mares, the stallion's being much larger. I rather think that stallions were depicted in the paintings.
Well done, Siberia!
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