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I Doubt It
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 Posted - 09/14/2001 : 07:25:04
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Is it only me or is anyone else extremely unsettled by the Sept 13 Proclamation by the President quoting Scripture and proclaiming "One Nation Under God"? It is not a time to argue about religion in the US but if I was a non-Christian religion (especially Muslim), I would be offended by this attitude and fear it would be almost endorsing persecution of non-Christians. I feel this is serious. What does anyone else think. (Perhaps this should be in the Religion section but it is pertinent to the terrorist events.)
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Marc_a_b
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 09/14/2001 : 07:34:26 [Permalink]
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The Freedome From Religion Foundation has today put out a statement on this. Noting how the 'god is on our side' mentality is exactly what the terrorists believe too.
http://www.ffrf.org/news/sept11.html
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Bozola
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USA
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Posted - 09/14/2001 : 07:49:45 [Permalink]
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Let's not forget who our favorite scumbag fundamentalists' think is really to blame
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The Rev. Jerry Falwell said yesterday that the American Civil Liberties Union, with abortion providers, gay rights proponents and federal courts that had banned school prayer and legalized abortion, had so weakened the United States spiritually that the nation was left exposed to Tuesday's terrorist attacks.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/14/national/14FALW.html
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@tomic
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USA
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Posted - 09/14/2001 : 08:45:09 [Permalink]
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But Jerry Falwell says that the cause of common cold and smelly socks, too. Typical!
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James
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 09/14/2001 : 09:18:47 [Permalink]
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They are broadcasted centerwide the National Prayer Meeting here at NASA.
It made me very angry when the first speaker (a lady Bishop in D.C., I believe), basically implied that only people of religious faith want "love to conqueor hate". They have representatives from just about every major religion there.
I wonder if any Secular Humanists were invited? 
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Actions mistaken for lip service paid
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Slater
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Posted - 09/14/2001 : 09:20:28 [Permalink]
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I go along with Robin Quivers of The Howard Stern Show who asked. "Why is the President talking about god? Not everyone in this country believes in his god--and anyway, their god beat his god yesterday."
Never mind the number of Moslems in the US, Atheists/Agnostics make up over 11 percent of the population.
In comparative terms--there are more Atheists in the USA than there are Jews in the world.
But, on the other hand, if it pisses off these AK-47 toting idiots who don't know the difference between a beach towel and haberdashery then I say
PRAISE JESUS! WOOOOO-O!
Brothers and Sisters let us make the holy sign of the MIDDLE FINGER halleluiah.
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Greg
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USA
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Posted - 09/14/2001 : 09:55:35 [Permalink]
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Anyway, here's another story with that jackass's comments: Falwell blaming everyone but the kitchen sink for Tuesday's attacks.
I guess Falwell, Roberston, et al could be considered the American version of the Taliban.
Greg.
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@tomic
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Posted - 09/14/2001 : 09:58:33 [Permalink]
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I guess Falwell, Roberston, et al could be considered the American version of the Taliban.
Wellllll, I wouldn't go that far! Elect those guys to office and who knows. Fortunately they are not elected and the US has some separation of church and state. Things could be far worse.
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I Doubt It
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USA
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Posted - 09/14/2001 : 10:32:23 [Permalink]
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I watched the National Prayer Service too. I wanted to hear the Muslim leader say more but he didn't say much. I truly wished for a Secular Humanist. Didn't happen.
In spite of myself, I laughed at the preceeding posts. Middle finger it is.
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Greg
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USA
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Posted - 09/14/2001 : 10:54:30 [Permalink]
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Wellllll, I wouldn't go that far! Elect those guys to office and who knows. Fortunately they are not elected and the US has some separation of church and state. Things could be far worse.
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Let me clarify my comment. The difference between the American fundamentalists and those in Afghanistan is not in their self-righteousness, or their appeal to dogma, or their unflinching attachment to any means to their ends. The difference lies only in the political and military power each wields.
If the result of the attacks were to be all of the restrictions on our freedoms that the US televangelists are flogging, then the terrorists have won.
Greg.
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@tomic
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Posted - 09/14/2001 : 12:10:52 [Permalink]
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If the result of the attacks were to be all of the restrictions on our freedoms that the US televangelists are flogging, then the terrorists have won.
That is one of my biggest fears.
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shewisd
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/14/2001 : 18:02:43 [Permalink]
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Is it only me or is anyone else extremely unsettled by the Sept 13 Proclamation by the President quoting Scripture and proclaiming "One Nation Under God"? It is not a time to argue about religion in the US but if I was a non-Christian religion (especially Muslim), I would be offended by this attitude and fear it would be almost endorsing persecution of non-Christians. I feel this is serious. What does anyone else think. (Perhaps this should be in the Religion section but it is pertinent to the terrorist events.)
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Zandermann
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 09/14/2001 : 18:15:51 [Permalink]
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... What does anyone else think?
The first thought into my mind, Doubt, is how you get from the proclamation of a day of remembrance (and of prayer, an exhortation which by its very nature is directed at believers, but at believers of *any* religion) to "almost endorsing persecution of non-Christians." Particularly when the actual prayer service was as inclusive as it was (Christian prayers predominated, but both an iman and a rabbi spoke). |
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Zandermann
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 09/14/2001 : 18:30:55 [Permalink]
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... It made me very angry when the first speaker (a lady Bishop in D.C., I believe), basically implied that only people of religious faith want "love to conqueor hate".
TD, I searched all over to find the comment you refer to here. The closest I could come to it comes from the AP's story:quote:
"Those of us who are gathered here - Muslim, Jew, Christian, Sikh, Buddhist, Hindu - all people of faith want to say to this nation and to the world that love is stronger than hate," said Bishop Jane Holmes Dixon, opening the service on what Bush had decreed a national day of prayer and remembrance.
I don't see the implication that you referred to in her statement, as she was of course making reference to those who were attending the service.quote:
I wonder if any Secular Humanists were invited?
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theatheistknight
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USA
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Posted - 09/14/2001 : 18:56:00 [Permalink]
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I watching Larry King right now, and there is some preacher spewing his, "God loves us" bullshit. There has been all kinds of reports on how people are using prayer to cope with the tragedy. Will they do a report on how atheists cope with the tragedy.
No. It is obvious that in the eyes of the press and President Bush himself, that atheists and other non-religious persons do not exist in national tragedy.
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -Friedrich Nietzsche |
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