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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 01/27/2005 : 13:45:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
Yeah. But see, next is the obese. Next the handicapped.
In the USA we have the American Disabilities Act that forbids discrimination against the handicapped. I'm not sure how they ruled on obesity as a handicap. I know it has come up but I don't know what the outcomes of cases were. |
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Wendy
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 01/27/2005 : 13:54:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by moakley
When do the overweight and obese start to miss out on job opportunities because of their unhealthy life styles ?
Never I hope. What is the risk to others - that they might have a fat co-worker fall on them during a massive coronary? I often say I gain weight just watching someone eat, but I really do know better! Second-hand calories?! I realize obese people pose potentially higher insurance costs, but realistically what danger do they present to co-workers? Bill them for the difference and let them do their jobs. Would you prefer they be on welfare?
Down this path lies prejudice. How long then before it is the handicapped (as Siberia pointed out) or older workers, or workers with any tattoo (Hepatitis risk)? The list could go on and on. |
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woolytoad
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 01/27/2005 : 16:42:29 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigalIf a person with asthma had such an allergy then co-worker accommodation of some kind might be in order but you are talking about something exceptional.
Not as exceptional as you think:
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_866861.html
I cannot comment on the acuracy of that, but it mirrors my own experience. A lot more people have breathing problems now. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 01/27/2005 : 16:50:05 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by woolytoad
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Originally posted by beskeptigalIf a person with asthma had such an allergy then co-worker accommodation of some kind might be in order but you are talking about something exceptional.
Not as exceptional as you think:
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_866861.html
I cannot comment on the acuracy of that, but it mirrors my own experience. A lot more people have breathing problems now.
Wooly, all that is figures of asthma sufferers. I don't think the contention was that asthma itself is rare, but that a mere hint of smoky odor lingering on someone's clothing is enough to induce an asthma attack. I've personally never heard of such a thing. If someone is that sensitive, I suppose there would have had to been a workplace ban on perfume and cologne as well.
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woolytoad
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 01/27/2005 : 17:33:51 [Permalink]
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I reread the first few posts. You're right.
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I suppose there would have had to been a workplace ban on perfume and cologne as well.
There are some poeple who should definitely be banned from using perfume and cologne. :D |
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Blindwillie
New Member
USA
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Posted - 01/27/2005 : 17:51:46 [Permalink]
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i posted something like this in another forum sorry for that.
Ive noticed that people who smoke two packs a day can still live a whole life, so is smoking really as bad as people say is it is. Take food for example. If you live off of mcdonalds, i dont think you will last that long.
Also i dont like how these truth adds are just focusing on how bad cigarettes are, even the adds that are against weed.
I dont think ive seen any telivised things on how bad alchol is... im new here so im sorry if my post is awful |
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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
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Posted - 01/27/2005 : 18:59:17 [Permalink]
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Blindwillie! Great to see you here. (I was wondering when you'd show up)
Now, in answer: quote:
Ive noticed that people who smoke two packs a day can still live a whole life, so is smoking really as bad as people say is it is.
Yes. Smoking really is as bad as people say it is. The problem is the risk of cancer, which is a stochastic phenomenon (that means is all about probabilities). Somebody who smokes is MUCH more likely to develop lung or throat cancer. Also, those who live with smokers are more likely to develop cancer.
Does that mean that companies have the right to fire smokers? There is a tough question. In my job, smoking is publicly discouraged, but I strongly doubt it will ever be banned; there are even certain (very minor) allowances made for smokers. This is, in my opinion, how it should be. quote:
Take food for example. If you live off of mcdonalds, i dont think you will last that long.
I agree; however, smokers are statistically more at risk than fast food eaters (and the obese, for that matter). quote:
I dont think ive seen any telivised things on how bad alchol is...
You know, I've wondered about that for quite some time .... |
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woolytoad
Skeptic Friend
313 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2005 : 19:24:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BlindwillieI dont think ive seen any telivised things on how bad alchol is...
Cultural thing? Here in Australia there are lots of anti-smoking and drunk driving ads. |
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
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Posted - 01/28/2005 : 00:35:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
So are you talking about an allergic reaction to some remaining particulates or chemicals emanating from the smoker's clothes or skin?
If a person with asthma had such an allergy then co-worker accommodation of some kind might be in order but you are talking about something exceptional.
"Some remaining particulates"- I see you don't spend much time around smokers.
I agree it might seem a bit exaggerated and I have never seen someone suffer an asthmatic attack from smoke filled clothes. I do know however that perfume can cause attacks so I don't find it so exceptional. Also allergy means hypersensitivity.
Anyway, it was my former boss company at the time, so it was his call.
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
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Posted - 01/28/2005 : 01:08:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Blindwillie
i posted something like this in another forum sorry for that.
Ive noticed that people who smoke two packs a day can still live a whole life, so is smoking really as bad as people say is it is. Take food for example. If you live off of mcdonalds, i dont think you will last that long.
Also i dont like how these truth adds are just focusing on how bad cigarettes are, even the adds that are against weed.
I dont think ive seen any telivised things on how bad alchol is... im new here so im sorry if my post is awful
Hi Blindwillie!
Alcohol and fast food is safe and may even provide a benefit as long as you don't abuse them. Tobacco provides nothing.
That some people manage to stay alive despite smoking does not say anything. Some non-smokers die young. You have to look at statistics to see the real effect.
Cigarettes are bad. Smoking (around other people) and buying cigarettes is immoral.
The tobacco industry get you addicted (usually when you are young) and then you have to continue to give them money. The industry use this money to get other people, especially people living in the third world, hooked. The spend some of it lobbying against laws that might hinder them to sell their products.
When you smoke you hurt the people around you. You and other people hurt contribute less to society and cost more.
Cigarettes are sold with a lie and cause more death and suffering than Osama could ever dream of.
The tobacco industry have all the drawbacks capitalism and none of its virtues.
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
4574 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2005 : 03:59:24 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Starman
Smoking (around other people) and buying cigarettes is immoral.
Buying cigarettes is immoral? Come again?
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2005 : 04:18:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Buying cigarettes is immoral? Come again?
My opinion of course, explained in my post.
Feel free to disagree.
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
2322 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2005 : 08:30:10 [Permalink]
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| Just out of sheer curiosity, are cigarrette tv ads banned in your country? Because they are in mine. |
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2005 : 08:41:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
Just out of sheer curiosity, are cigarrette tv ads banned in your country? Because they are in mine.
Pretty sure they are (never seen any), but I'm not sure of what the law says.
Some stations broadcast from the UK.
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Wendy
SFN Regular
USA
614 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2005 : 09:30:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
Just out of sheer curiosity, are cigarrette tv ads banned in your country? Because they are in mine.
Yes, they are. Here's a link to the History of Cigarette Advertising.
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1971 TV cigarette advertising banned. The ban was scheduled to begin on January 1, but was delayed for one day to allow a final glut of Super Bowl ads. Fairness Doctrine anti-smoking ads also disappear. Cigarette sales begin rebounding from their four year decline. RJ Reynolds' top-selling Winston brand, which had been challenged by Philip Morris' Marlboro for most of the 60s, is particularly hard-hit. While the Marlboro cowboy translates into print advertising beautifully, Winston's only identifier was the jingle, "Winston tastes good, like a cigarette should." Winston focuses on promoting car racing, but steadily loses market share to Marlboro.
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