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Bibleland
Skeptic Friend
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 Posted - 02/04/2005 : 05:41:19
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Hello Skeptic Friends,
Pedro the Mountain Mummy is an anomoly that has a few of us scratching our heads. Now I understand that concluding it's a 14" infant would easily allow any thinking evolutionist to dismiss the anthropological implications. Well he dissapeared some 55 years ago and I'm offering $10,000 for his return. Last seen in Florida. Anyone reffering me to the mummy and we purchase it, a 10% refferal fee will be paid. I just want that guy tested properly...he's got teeth and hair plus a suprising characteristic that I never expected an infant to have. Read about it on my site if you would like. Thank you all for participating on our forum I hope to be able to return the favor to you all.
Sincerely,
John Adolfi
Bibleland Studios
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 06:47:40 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Bibleland
Hello Skeptic Friends,
Pedro the Mountain Mummy is an anomoly that has a few of us scratching our heads. Now I understand that concluding it's a 14" infant would easily allow any thinking evolutionist to dismiss the anthropological implications. Well he dissapeared some 55 years ago and I'm offering $10,000 for his return. Last seen in Florida. Anyone reffering me to the mummy and we purchase it, a 10% refferal fee will be paid. I just want that guy tested properly...he's got teeth and hair plus a suprising characteristic that I never expected an infant to have. Read about it on my site if you would like. Thank you all for participating on our forum I hope to be able to return the favor to you all.
Hi, Bibleland. I hadn't heard of "Pedro" before you started this thread, but a quick Google search revealed a number of hits that gave more or less that same story. (Incidentally, I notice that one of the top news links (from the New York Newsday) reads "Man offers $10,000 for Pedro Mountain Mummy"-- and the man turns out to be you! Congrats, John-- you made the news!)
But I'm curious-- on your website, you suggest that Pedro will either "either support a creation model or cause [you] to question evolution." What about Pedro would do this for you? |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 08:17:35 [Permalink]
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Hi John. I read the same srticle as Cuni, and it's the first I'd heard of it.
The odds of it turning up after all this time are pretty steep (I'd think it would be in a private, possibly illegal, collection somewhere, if it hasn't been destroyed). But stranger things have happened and doubtless will again.
Best of luck with your search!
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Wendy
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 08:22:18 [Permalink]
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I'd suggest you keep an eye on eBay, but I believe they have rules against auctioning remains. Sounds like you've got your work cut out for you. Good luck!
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Bibleland
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 08:38:53 [Permalink]
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Pedro is more of a launch point for us in our hunt for future artifacts. Pedro is just irresistible.
Many believe he is 60 years old. If that proves true then it presents a "small" problem for his place in the human evolutionary train so to speak. 6 more mummies have been found in the same area. Some in the possession of their respective owners and some reburied because of the "Mummy's Curse" people believe in. Keep an eye out friends and look for our next Reward coming March 1st. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 09:17:25 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Bibleland
Many believe he is 60 years old. If that proves true then it presents a "small" problem for his place in the human evolutionary train so to speak.
Except that the news article I linked earlier holds that there are other alternatives:quote:
George Gill, an anthropology professor at the University of Wyoming, has a different theory. After reviewing X-rays taken of the mummy in the 1950s, Gill concluded that it was an infant with anencephaly, a birth defect in which only the brain stem develops.
Of course, doing genetic testing or whatever would help to clarify the situation. If the testing shows that the above-mentioned disease (or something similar) is the cause of Pedro's odd case, will you give up your quest to "disprove" evolution, or keep searching? Assuming the latter (i.e. that you keep searching), at what point do you give up and concede that evolution is the best explanation for the diversity of life on this planet? |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 09:29:19 [Permalink]
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Very interesting, and definietly worth examining. I hope you can find Pedro.
Also, just curious, what "problem" do you think Pedro will cause for evolution? Even if it is determined that he was an adult?
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Bibleland
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 10:12:04 [Permalink]
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If you would go to our site and read our article on the Mummy we did a little more research on him and found one particular characteristic that adds more credibility to Pedro being full grown. Our Rewards program will continue. We hope to give what skeptics are looking for...harder proof. But like anything one can always dismiss each piece of evidence as it is presented. That is why we want a quantity
of evidence so we can present a picture. A "picture" is much harder to walk away from and deny than just one piece of it. |
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Tim
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 10:25:42 [Permalink]
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A "picture" is much harder to walk away from and deny than just one piece of it.
I don't mean to sound overly pessimistic, but a picture painted with layers of fantasy is still fantasy.
If you find the evidence you look for, though, please, keep us informed...Good luck. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 10:28:53 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Bibleland
If you would go to our site and read our article on the Mummy we did a little more research on him and found one particular characteristic that adds more credibility to Pedro being full grown. Our Rewards program will continue. We hope to give what skeptics are looking for...harder proof. But like anything one can always dismiss each piece of evidence as it is presented. That is why we want a quantity of evidence so we can present a picture. A "picture" is much harder to walk away from and deny than just one piece of it.
Is this what you're talking about?quote:
Consider this revelation: Both Basher and Goodman independently reported to me one important piece of information that all the medical reports conveniently leave out: Pedro the Mountain Mummy has pubic hair.
I guess we'll have to see-- from the various pictures, it is difficult to imagine how anyone would be able to see the pubic area. But we'll see, I guess... |
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furshur
SFN Regular
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 12:13:06 [Permalink]
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What does one tiny person have to do with evolution. First of all we need to find the little dude so that we can determine if it is a hoax or not. Secondly, if it is real it does not matter if it is an infant or a full grown teeny tiny person; one malformed person does not have any relevance to evolution. It is like saying I do not know how the elephant man fits in the evolutionary tree. He had a disease, he was not a species.
I do hope it is a real tiny person and I hope you find it. If would be very interesting. It might also explain a strange thing that happened to me on a Canadian lake on time.....
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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 12:20:26 [Permalink]
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Pedro only represents a "difficulty" to evolutionary theory if you make the mistake of thinking that the human family tree is better represented by a vine than a bush, or that there is an "evolutionary train" (akin to the mistake that evolution states that animals must become more complex over time, which Mr. Adolfi commits here). After all, neanderthal man was an off-shoot. They gave us very little, if any, genetic information.
Similarly, if Pedro lived prior to the European invasion of the Americas, people without native American blood in them simply will not have any of Pedro's genes. And if there really were a group of tiny people living in Wyoming, they were probably genetically isolated by fear and loathing, anyway.
At worst, Pedro represents a very strange little side-branch of the human family, much like the recent "hobbits" found in the Pacific. This casts no doubt on evolutionary theory as a whole.
(At best, I have suspicions that if Pedro is found, professionals will quickly determine that he has been so used and abused during his celebrity afterlife that little lnowledge can be gleaned from him - or even that he's been extensively modified in the last 73 years.) |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 13:58:56 [Permalink]
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Exactly.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/04/2005 : 22:48:56 [Permalink]
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It's a magical world for some folks:
One magical bit of evidence is going to show everybody our beliefs are correct.
The rapture will show you.
When you die you'll be sorry.
If I believe hard enough, my world will come true.  |
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Bibleland
Skeptic Friend
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