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verlch
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http://www.ordeniluminati.com/files/english/libercommandments.htm
LIBER ZION, COMMANDMENTS AND REDISM PHILOSOPHY
Liber Zion is the ensemble of texts received by Gabriel López de Rojas that proclaims the New Age of Zion, Age of Freedom, Equality, Love...The protagonist of Liber Zion is the god of the Light Baphomet, who was very valued by masonry initiated ones, rosecroix, etc. and by philosophers like Fourier, Marx or Bakunin. Initiated ones observed him like a initiatic work tool and emancipation. Philosophers observed him like a emancipation symbol.
In the Redism and its orders, Illuminati Order and Societas OTO, the god of the Light and the Liber Zion are initiatic work tools and emancipation that support yogi, tantric, cabalistic work...
On the other hand, The Commandments of The Illuminati are a series of equalitarian and anarchistic norms that Redism initiated ones and its orders assume and they give a bigger philosophical rigor to Liber Zion.
Finally, when initiated ones in Redism culminate the initiation and discover that they are god, that is to say they are capable beings to transform their reality and the reality that involves them, they embrace Redism Philosophy. This is a real reformulation of the socialism, the comunism and the anarchism, useful to be able to operate on the medium, with freedom and equality, emancipating the Humanity. Then, the idealism that believes the world and the man destiny is directed by supernatural forces, gives place to the materialism that put the man like the only owner of the world and his destiny.
LINKS:
Liber Zion
Redism Philosophy: basic points of the Redism Philosophy (Spanish)
Redism Philosophy: the slavery (Spanish)
http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/b/baphomet.html
Remember what the snake told Eve in the garden?
5: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6: And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7: And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
8: And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9: And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=KjvGene.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=2&division=div1
There you have it, it proposed godlike status at the start and humans are still buying into it! There can only be One captian of the Universe!
Here is the whole website! Its about becoming a member of the NWO, the leadership group, the Illuminati! Liberty from what, God the Father?
http://www.ordeniluminati.com/index.htm
http://www.satanshop.com/index.htm
http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/BaphometSigil.html
There you have a direct link between the Illuminati and the works of Satan in his own church with that sigil.
There you have clear distiction between good and evil! The battle lines are drawn and we can see them clearly! Whom are we going to serve, mammon or God?
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Siberia
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 13:27:41 [Permalink]
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| I would, but they only accept males. Oh wait, those are the masons... |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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verlch
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 13:31:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
I would, but they only accept males. Oh wait, those are the masons...
You could be in the female order of Witches and Chicks of the Eastern Star! You could summon demons and all sorts of wickedness!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Siberia
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 13:39:32 [Permalink]
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| I tried the witchcraft thing, too, but then I grew bored. My friend's a witch still, though. Sorry V, I'm not the believer type to summon demons and stuff. Think I'll keep being the evil evolutionist/scientist... |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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verlch
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 13:50:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
I tried the witchcraft thing, too, but then I grew bored. My friend's a witch still, though. Sorry V, I'm not the believer type to summon demons and stuff. Think I'll keep being the evil evolutionist/scientist...
Summoning demons would mean there is a God. So you'll just stick to Ghosts (psst, they are really demons), that is what they do at the Mother Goddess level of wiccan, they summon demons. You can't seem to observe the spitual wickness in the world, you can see the actions of humans bent on death and destruction. You think they are being led by their own actions?
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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tomk80
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 14:03:17 [Permalink]
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| The EAC does not allow membership to any other conspiracies. I tried to join the masons, but they found out and I still carry the marks. No way I'm going through that again. I will now devote my life to the EAC and the EAC alone, especially since they started funding my 'devilish cyborg from hell'-project through their programs encouraging especially promising evil scientists. |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 14:09:02 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Siberia
I tried the witchcraft thing, too, but then I grew bored. My friend's a witch still, though. Sorry V, I'm not the believer type to summon demons and stuff. Think I'll keep being the evil evolutionist/scientist...
Summoning demons would mean there is a God. So you'll just stick to Ghosts (psst, they are really demons), that is what they do at the Mother Goddess level of wiccan, they summon demons. You can't seem to observe the spitual wickness in the world, you can see the actions of humans bent on death and destruction. You think they are being led by their own actions?
Actually, yes. Greed, stupidity, arrogance, and so forth have led many into foolish and even murderous acts.
Checking out the links, I see nothing that ties the Illuminate into anything. That fellow in Spain is just another wanna-be, albeit a bit better spoken than most.
Another is someone peddling Satinist crap much in the way some sites sell the same except it's Christian. Good money in that stuff, I guess.
One link is broken.
And the last deals with symbolism, also meaning nothing.
So where, in all of this New Age garbage, is the Great Illuminati Conspiricy?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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Siberia
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 14:30:21 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Siberia
I tried the witchcraft thing, too, but then I grew bored. My friend's a witch still, though. Sorry V, I'm not the believer type to summon demons and stuff. Think I'll keep being the evil evolutionist/scientist...
Summoning demons would mean there is a God. So you'll just stick to Ghosts (psst, they are really demons), that is what they do at the Mother Goddess level of wiccan, they summon demons. You can't seem to observe the spitual wickness in the world, you can see the actions of humans bent on death and destruction. You think they are being led by their own actions?
Nah, I don't believe in ghosts either. And heck yeah, their own actions indeed. Some people are just stupid, some are downright cruel, some are delusional and some are just crazy, y'know. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 14:45:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
quote:
Originally posted by Siberia
I tried the witchcraft thing, too, but then I grew bored. My friend's a witch still, though. Sorry V, I'm not the believer type to summon demons and stuff. Think I'll keep being the evil evolutionist/scientist...
Summoning demons would mean there is a God. So you'll just stick to Ghosts (psst, they are really demons), that is what they do at the Mother Goddess level of wiccan, they summon demons. You can't seem to observe the spitual wickness in the world, you can see the actions of humans bent on death and destruction. You think they are being led by their own actions?
Actually, yes. Greed, stupidity, arrogance, and so forth have led many into foolish and even murderous acts.
Checking out the links, I see nothing that ties the Illuminate into anything. That fellow in Spain is just another wanna-be, albeit a bit better spoken than most.
Another is someone peddling Satinist crap much in the way some sites sell the same except it's Christian. Good money in that stuff, I guess.
One link is broken.
And the last deals with symbolism, also meaning nothing.
So where, in all of this New Age garbage, is the Great Illuminati Conspiricy?
If you see the ties between the light of baphopmet, the star with the goat you can see the connection between all of them. Then you remeber what the angel of light told Eve in the garden, you will become a god know both good and evil. Then the illuminati on the website claim that you are a god also. Just letting the illuminati know who they are following!
That was posted by a 33 degree master mason in a different forum, which gives this even more credibility. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 15:06:15 [Permalink]
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Thanks for the chuckles V.
Glad to see you're still leading the fight against mental health. |
The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley
The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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verlch
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 15:15:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
Thanks for the chuckles V.
Glad to see you're still leading the fight against mental health.
The proof is in the pudding and you just ate the pudding.... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 15:19:39 [Permalink]
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I think I'll just stick to Harry Potter.  |
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Siberia
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 15:43:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
I think I'll just stick to Harry Potter.
Don't worry, Harry Potter is of the Devil, too |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 15:57:05 [Permalink]
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and verlch continues to babble on... (pun intended)
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Renae
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 18:31:40 [Permalink]
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Put the crack pipe down, v-man....
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/05/2005 : 19:11:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Siberia
I tried the witchcraft thing, too, but then I grew bored. My friend's a witch still, though. Sorry V, I'm not the believer type to summon demons and stuff. Think I'll keep being the evil evolutionist/scientist...
Summoning demons would mean there is a God. So you'll just stick to Ghosts (psst, they are really demons), that is what they do at the Mother Goddess level of wiccan, they summon demons. You can't seem to observe the spitual wickness in the world, you can see the actions of humans bent on death and destruction. You think they are being led by their own actions?
Actually, yes. Greed, stupidity, arrogance, and so forth have led many into foolish and even murderous acts.
Checking out the links, I see nothing that ties the Illuminate into anything. That fellow in Spain is just another wanna-be, albeit a bit better spoken than most.
Another is someone peddling Satinist crap much in the way some sites sell the same except it's Christian. Good money in that stuff, I guess.
One link is broken.
And the last deals with symbolism, also meaning nothing.
So where, in all of this New Age garbage, is the Great Illuminati Conspiricy?
If you see the ties between the light of baphopmet, the star with the goat you can see the connection between all of them. Then you remeber what the angel of light told Eve in the garden, you will become a god know both good and evil. Then the illuminati on the website claim that you are a god also. Just letting the illuminati know who they are following!
That was posted by a 33 degree master mason in a different forum, which gives this even more credibility.
The problem, as I see it, is that we've yet to emperically establish the existance of gods, devils, angels, demons, goblins, ghosts, lycanthrops, mugwumps, gollywhompers, batboys, and so forth.
The quaint symbols affected by various groups are no more than just that; symbols. They mean no more than whatever the group wants them to mean, and in the absencs of supernatural powers and events, it's all a little hollow.
A 33 Degree Master Mason, being human, could be a 33 Degree Master Moron, as well. What evidence do you have that he actually is a Mason of any degree? People on forums have been known to <ahem> play a tad fast and loose with the truth, upon occasion.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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