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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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 Posted - 02/22/2005 : 07:25:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by serendipitypublishing
Iīm glad to meet a real skeptic friend. Someone whose critisms actually help because they are founded on knowledge in a non bias attempt to prove or disprove an idea. Being open minded is the real key to skeptism it seems. Shouting about something only seems to be a defence against an assumption, which some of you are making quite wildly. Should skeptism be based on assumptions or facts ? I think itīs facts.
I'm crushed! Here I was thinking I'm being skeptical by rejecting ideas based on nothing but wild speculation and trumped up evidence, when in fact being skeptical means accpeting any interpretation of ancient artifacts-- no matter how crazy-- as possible. Shoot.
I'd do some research for you (you know-- like checking to see if ancient Egypt even had the constellations you're positing, or looking at the Egyptian calendar, etc.), but I'm worried that if I report back with evidence unfavorable for your newest pet theory, you'll reject it and accuse me of "bias" while gushing on about how real skeptics would see your idea for what it is: the right one.
So instead of wasting my time I'll just wait for whatever new interpretation of ancient art you've got. And I'll try and work on my skeptical attitude... |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 02/22/2005 : 10:34:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by serendipitypublishing
Unless, 5 degrees is sufficient to make the rainbow visible ??
5° is about the height of two horizontal fingers held at arms length. In other words, not much, and only in late December.quote:
Iīm glad to meet a real skeptic friend. Someone whose critisms actually help because they are founded on knowledge in a non bias attempt to prove or disprove an idea. Being open minded is the real key to skeptism it seems. Shouting about something only seems to be a defence against an assumption, which some of you are making quite wildly. Should skeptism be based on assumptions or facts ? I think itīs facts.
Sigh. I happen to agree with everyone else who's posted criticisms. My bias should be plain. I only posted because I know the basics of rainbow optics, was willing to spend a few minutes doing the math, and it adds a yet another nail to the coffin of the idea that the disc is Egyptian. That hypothesis was quite dead before I posted.
See, the thing is that skepticism is based upon facts, and you've got none. People point out that "Leo" is all screwed up, and you blow them off as not seeing it right. People point out an "extra" star, and you suggest it might be a star which - you admit - has no business being there. Etc, etc.
So, from my point of view, I see one person with a ton of unsupported assumptions who's in the process of frustrating a handful of skeptics who're asking for facts (both implicitly and explicitly), but getting squat. I may not be "shouting," but that may only be due to the fact that I just don't give a rat's ass about the subjects you've brought up.
Unlike other fields, in which I have had some rather passionate debates, ancient maps of the Americas, Delphic venus trackers, ancient Scottish dentistry, and this disk simply don't register for me as things which matter (yet) to my life and how I choose to live it. Even if you had solid evidence that any of these things were what you say they are, it's unlikely my response would be more than "well, that's kinda nifty." After all, you're not (yet) advocating the teaching of your ideas in public schools, or digging our country deeper into a foreign-policy nightmare (for just two examples).
In fact, I've only written this much, in this post, because you've taken the time to thank me for something I didn't do, in a more-or-less transparent attempt at setting skeptic vs. skeptic (after all, my email and PM addresses are widely available). I felt a need to speak up, and state in no uncertain terms that (A) I'm as biased as the next guy, (B) I have yet to see much besides wild speculation from you (no facts), and (C) attempting to pit me against anyone else in this thread is a pretty damn ugly rhetorical tactic, and has no place in a discussion which should focus upon facts. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2005 : 18:48:47 [Permalink]
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I've decided to become a real skeptic. This is a picture of the Stele of Naram-Sin:
Conventional wisdom holds that it celebrates some military victory by the Akkadian king over some hapless mountain kingdom. But here's an alternative view: this doesn't represent a Naram-Sin military victory. Instead, it shows that Naram-Sin was a space traveller.
Naram-Sin, the large figure at the top of the picture, is standing next to a mountain-- obviously part of some exotic planetary landscape. Note the two "suns" at the top. I think they represent a binary system. In particular, it is likely that it is the Alpha Centauri system. The third star of the system, Proxima Centauri, was likely in the upper-most part that is now broken off.
I think that the people in the lower part of the relief represent Naram-Sin's mission control-- a sort of Mesopotamian Cape Canaveral! This was probably at Ur, where their launch pad probably looked something like this:
Clearly, this is the proper way to see things. Don't buy it?!? Just look at things differently, and you see it my way... |
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2005 : 19:03:40 [Permalink]
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All wrong, Cune. This is obviously the story of the beginnings of the Freemasons, with each figure representing a level of Freemasonry. How could you miss that?
Even more amazing, if you rotate the picture 180 degrees, stretch it to 3 times its length, and smoke up a really big spliff, it looks just like an owl! |
The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2005 : 19:07:59 [Permalink]
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Oh, he is SOO a space traveler. Where else would he get that friggin' sweet Predator mask?
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
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Dave W.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2005 : 20:34:35 [Permalink]
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See?!? We can all be real skeptics, now. First, pick some ancient piece of art. You can find images from websties of many good museums-- the British Museum, the Louvre, the Met, the Smithsonian, the Staatliche Museen zu Berlin, the Hermitage, the Royal Ontario Museum, the MFA, the Brookyln Museum, the Walters, the University Museum, and so on. Then, reinterpret the artwork so that it represents some purposterous and counter-intuitive indicator of early humanity's scientific/technological understanding-- space travel, advanced medicine, geography, etc. Then, twist the images on the artwork so that they sort of fit in with your new interpretation. It doesn't have to work exactly, just sort of closely. Also, don't worry if other aspects of the artwork contradict your new theory. Ignore those and stress those things that kindasorta work. And don't forget to accuse those who disagree with your idea that they'e simply being biased and close-minded.
Try it! |
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serendipitypublishing
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 02/23/2005 : 05:51:42 [Permalink]
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In fact, I've only written this much, in this post, because you've taken the time to thank me for something I didn't do, in a more-or-less transparent attempt at setting skeptic vs. skeptic (after all, my email and PM addresses are widely available). I felt a need to speak up, and state in no uncertain terms that (A) I'm as biased as the next guy, (B) I have yet to see much besides wild speculation from you (no facts), and (C) attempting to pit me against anyone else in this thread is a pretty damn ugly rhetorical tactic, and has no place in a discussion which should focus upon facts
Assumptions Dave. Just assumptions. You showed a gift for critical analysis and I thanked you for it even if it was in some way disproving my theory. But your last post was an example of following the crowd. I posted what I see and thatīs all. This is a skeptic forum for critical analysis after all. I do not send private email messages. My work is open for all to view in the future. Write what you wish here, off course that is your choice but be prepared to be the skeptism of your own skeptism.
As for the posts made, I have not said they are wrong just that I need time to think. Iīll keep them all in mind and when Iīm ready to add something to the discussion I will. Thanks once again for your help even if thatīs not what you are trying to do. I guess that means you wonīt be wanting any research fees !!
There will be more, much more, and each time a little peice of a large jigsaw puzzle !! Iīm glad for all your skeptical comments, actually some are very entertaining. |
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Oscar Wilde
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 02/23/2005 : 08:30:24 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by serendipitypublishing
Assumptions Dave. Just assumptions.
Hypocrisy. Just hypocrisy.quote:
You showed a gift for critical analysis and I thanked you for it even if it was in some way disproving my theory.
Others showed the same gift, but you sniped at them.quote:
But your last post was an example of following the crowd.
Well, dang. I thought I was being original.quote:
I posted what I see and thatīs all. This is a skeptic forum for critical analysis after all.
And apparently you find such analysis lacking in some posts, whereas I do not.quote:
I do not send private email messages. My work is open for all to view in the future.
Your "work?" [Shakes head]quote:
Write what you wish here, off course that is your choice but be prepared to be the skeptism of your own skeptism.
If I'm parsing the horrendous grammar correctly, rest assured that I thought quite a long time before responding to you, with much self-criticism prior to clicking "Post New Reply."quote:
As for the posts made, I have not said they are wrong just that I need time to think.
No, you've displayed a habit of replying with a new ad hoc hypothesis with an equal amount of support as your previous guesses (none). "Discussing" things with you is sort of like playing Whack-a-Mole in that regard.quote:
I guess that means you wonīt be wanting any research fees !!
Hey, if you're willing to pay, I'm willing to change my attitude. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
4826 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 09:05:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Nonononono! That's an Alien-type facehugger. The carving depicts the victory of the aliens! Runforyourlives!
You're both wrong. It's a Martian facemask as featured in Bradbury's Martian Chronicles. You see how his left arm cradles the bee weapon thingy. |
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serendipitypublishing
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 02/23/2005 : 09:55:15 [Permalink]
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My apologies to all i I have offended. Just expressed how I felt. Perhaps a little confused. Everyone and everything helps. But I still disagree with Cuen about the constellations !!!
I found this :
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The Nile flooded the valley during a period called "Aketo," corresponding to the period from July to December in the current calendar. Farmlands were under water and irrigation canals ran water to lands not reached by the Nile. The outflow period was the coolest season, called "Peleto," and it lasted from December to March.
I donīt think this was an atmospheric rainbow created by the end of the rains but rather by the water evaporating from the surface, creating a mist. The rains ended in October but the land was not ready for planting until December corresponding to the beginning of the outflow period. This rainbow was visible in december as Dave analysis of rainbows has showed.
So :
Signs :
1. Appearance of Sirius at the Summer Solstice
2. Cresent Moon appears rising through Leo on the Western Horizon waxing full in Leo.
3. Moon Waxes Full in Virgo
4. Moon Waxes Full in Libra
5. Rainbow appears in the North across the Nile indicating land in ready to be sowed.
If you look at the disc, the darker part seems to form the shape of a river, maybe it was rubbed to orm this shape. The rainbow passes across it. The Green copper indicating the fertile lands on either side.
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The dry season called "Syumuu" followed, from March to July. This was the time of bringing in the harvest.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 02/23/2005 : 11:07:57 [Permalink]
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No no no...
Notice how much bigger the main character is than all the rest?
Clearly it is a depiction of some early encounter with the Lilliputians!
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 11:16:45 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by serendipitypublishing
So :
Signs :
1. Appearance of Sirius at the Summer Solstice
2. Cresent Moon appears rising through Leo on the Western Horizon waxing full in Leo.
3. Moon Waxes Full in Virgo
4. Moon Waxes Full in Libra
Now here, two months or so are simply missing.quote:
5. Rainbow appears in the North across the Nile indicating land in ready to be sowed.
So, you've got a big hole to fill. |
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furshur
SFN Regular
USA
1536 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2005 : 23:17:24 [Permalink]
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It could be a tribute to Baldar Conehead. I'm sure I spelled Baldar wrong, but that's because I never took French.
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serendipitypublishing
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 02/28/2005 : 04:10:50 [Permalink]
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Now here, two months or so are simply missing
If the flooding stops or reaches it's peak in October then the ancients would be waiting to sow their seeds. The first sign of this would be a rainbow produced through the water evaporated into the atmosphere in December.
This is not a disc that shows a yearly calender but one showing the signs in the sky for sowing the seeds. The harvesting would be done by observation. |
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