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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 03/01/2005 : 13:26:26 [Permalink]
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The whole point might be moot, anyway. It seems there is some doubt that this is a genuine, ancient artifact.
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Ancient sky map or fake? German experts row over star disc
Luke Harding in Berlin
Tuesday March 1, 2005
The Guardian
One of Germany's most acclaimed archaeological finds - a 3,600-year-old disc depicting the stars and the planets - is at the centre of a dispute following claims that it is a modern forgery.
According to Germany's museum establishment, the Sky Disc of Nebra is the oldest depiction of the heavens discovered and offers an insight into the Bronze Age mind.
But the authenticity of the disc has been challenged by one of the country's leading archaeologists, Peter Schauer of Regensburg University. He told a court in Halle that the artefact was nothing more than an amateurish forgery.
If it indeed turns out to be forgery, well, let the games begin! 
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 03/06/2005 : 12:13:19 [Permalink]
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I see that at the Guardian, they've noted that some even wonder if the disk is real:quote:
One of Germany's most acclaimed archaeological finds - a 3,600-year-old disc depicting the stars and the planets - is at the centre of a dispute following claims that it is a modern forgery.
Curiously, no mention of Egypt comes in. They do say thatquote:
[T]he authenticity of the disc has been challenged by one of the country's leading archaeologists, Peter Schauer of Regensburg University. He told a court in Halle that the artefact was nothing more than an amateurish forgery. . . "My colleagues don't want to believe it. But there is little doubt that the disc is a fake," he told the Guardian yesterday. "It looks very nice. It has the sky and the stars. You can even see the Pleiades. But I'm afraid it's a piece of fantasy."
There go those damned scholars talking about Pleiades again! Oh well...
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serendipitypublishing
Skeptic Friend
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 03/07/2005 : 05:49:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by serendipitypublishing
This a quote from the Guardian that Cune posted :
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The indentations on the disc's side, meanwhile, were also not made by a Bronze Age tool but were done by machine, he said.
If this is the criteria in which an object is authenitated then off course this makes complete sense.
Why?
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I posted some more info on another forum which I am supplying the link for here if youīre interested in the link between the constellation of Leo and Egypt.
http://focusmag.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/8506071562/m/5881022201/r/4411034111#4411034111
Now, if only those constellations on the disk actualy looked like Leo, Virgo, and Libra, you might actually have a real conicidence! |
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serendipitypublishing
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 03/08/2005 : 08:15:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by serendipitypublishing
This a quote from the Guardian that Cune posted :
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The indentations on the disc's side, meanwhile, were also not made by a Bronze Age tool but were done by machine, he said.
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If this is the criteria in which an object is authenitated then off course this makes complete sense.
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Why?
If itīs a disc made for use in Nebra then it would probably have been made with bronze age tools. However, if it is not a disc made in Nebra but Egypt it would not have been made using Egyptian techniques. I would say that the Egyptians were advanced in their knowledge of metal and stone craft. But thatīs just a guess. Did they use machines of some sort ?
So perhaps the outcome of the trial will show that the artefact is in fact ancient but not from Nebra assuming the basis for their arguement isnīt just whether ot not it is made with bronze age tools.
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Now, if only those constellations on the disk actualy looked like Leo, Virgo, and Libra, you might actually have a real conicidence!
I still think that the Discīs Leo looks like Leo and the discīs Libra looks like Libra. Iīm not so convinced about Virgo. But then I think the disc is more for decorative use than anything else.
I think weīll have to agree to disagree. Cune, If you hear anything about the result of the trial of the Nebra disc I would be interested to know. Likewise Iīll post it. Thanks. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 03/08/2005 : 08:25:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by serendipitypublishing
If itīs a disc made for use in Nebra then it would probably have been made with bronze age tools. However, if it is not a disc made in Nebra but Egypt it would not have been made using Egyptian techniques. I would say that the Egyptians were advanced in their knowledge of metal and stone craft. But thatīs just a guess. Did they use machines of some sort?
No, the Egyptians were not using machines to cast or work metal objects.
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serendipitypublishing
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 03/08/2005 : 10:21:16 [Permalink]
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No, the Egyptians were not using machines to cast or work metal objects
Then I guess it belongs to the lost civilization. Which is what I wanted it to be. The Civilization that built the pyramids !  |
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Paulos23
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 03/08/2005 : 11:07:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by serendipitypublishing
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No, the Egyptians were not using machines to cast or work metal objects
Then I guess it belongs to the lost civilization. Which is what I wanted it to be. The Civilization that built the pyramids !
Again you are putting the results you want before the evidence. If there is evidence that the disk was machined out, then it is most likely that it was made very recently. Your hope for a lost civilization doesn't hold up with this new piece of evidence.
Somehow I think you will even find a way to link it to your lost civilization even if it ends up dated being 100 years old, which in my mind would be the final piece of evidence that this disk is a forgery. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Paulos23
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 03/08/2005 : 14:36:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Paulos: note winky smiley. SP is letting us know the "lost civilization" bit is a put-on.
Opps, my bad.  Sorry Serendipity. Guess I have been reading to many Latin posts. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 03/08/2005 : 17:19:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Paulos: note winky smiley. SP is letting us know the "lost civilization" bit is a put-on.
At least, Dave, we hope he's kidding! |
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