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Starman
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Sweden
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 Posted - 03/11/2005 : 04:31:46 [Permalink]
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"Your question is already answered"
Ohhh, that one scores high om my Bulshit-o-meter!
So all of a sudden our friend don't want to type the same thing more than once.....
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/11/2005 : 06:35:31 [Permalink]
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Rather than start another thread, I think I'll put this in here. It's almost on topic, anyway, and it'll give 'Jral an excuse to accuse me, rightly, of hijacking.
I didn't know the grifter Geller might be called upon to testify in the MJ trial.
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A famed, self-described "mentalist" The Amazing Kreskin is saying a "psychic" has no business testifying at Michael Jackson's child molestation trial.
Kreskin has issued a press release saying he's written a letter to Jackson attorney Thomas Mesereau offering his advice about psychic Uri Geller.
Specifically, Kreskin said Mesereau should not put Geller on the stand to testify about hypnotizing Jackson because it would hurt the case.
These psychics do get around, don't they. I think that Geller would jump at the chance to testify. He hasn't been much in the news lately and probably misses the exposure. This trial would plaster his phiz on front pages from Bangor to 'Dago and all places in between.
Ok. 'Jral, you can have it back, now. Thanks for the borrow of it.
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Ricky
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furshur
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 03/11/2005 : 09:33:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by latinijral
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Originally posted by Ricky
Latinijral, what do you think of Uri?
About what?
Be more specific.
Do you think Uri is a fraud or he can actually do what he claims (bend spoons and what not)?
Please be more specific:
Soup spoons or grapefruit spoons?
Silver or Stainless Steel?
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 03/11/2005 : 11:06:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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I don't want to shame you again here.
Your question is already answered in my other thread about the tactics of the old scepticism.
I will wait for your evidence.
You have shamed me, you say? How very quaint! When did you do this? Why haven't I noticed?
More importantly, why has no one else besides latinijral noticed?
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It is not I who needs to provide evidence -- I have made no claims other than the one below and the evidence for that is to be found in every thread in which you have been involved. I have merely asked a question, to wit:
You have debunked the old skepticsim, or so you claim. What pray, do you have to replace it? Tilting at Will o' the Wisp will not suffice.
I piss flaming nitromethane on your straw man!
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/11/2005 : 12:15:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by filthy
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I don't want to shame you again here.
Your question is already answered in my other thread about the tactics of the old scepticism.
I will wait for your evidence.
You have shamed me, you say? How very quaint! When did you do this? Why haven't I noticed?
More importantly, why has no one else besides latinijral noticed?
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It is not I who needs to provide evidence -- I have made no claims other than the one below and the evidence for that is to be found in every thread in which you have been involved. I have merely asked a question, to wit:
You have debunked the old skepticsim, or so you claim. What pray, do you have to replace it? Tilting at Will o' the Wisp will not suffice.
I piss flaming nitromethane on your straw man!
I'd prefer jellied petroleum.
Yah, napalm is effective as is molton lava. But damn, this guy's straw men are so flimsy that methane from a frog's ass ignited in the rain would put them to rest.
It's rather like arguing with a metronome. No matter where the weight is set, you still know exactly what it's going to do -- unless you're playing a fiddle, it's a dull scene .
I really miss the spontanaity of verlch. He could drop half a dozen suprises a day on you. Throughout these threads, I keep having to suppress the temptation to ask latinijral about 4,000 year old, fossil trees.
Oh, what the hell: hey, latinijral, how 'bout them fossil trees, bro? D'ya think they're for real, or merely something Randi cooked up in order to confound Geller and the New Skepticism so dangerous to his professional well-being, and to score points with MoeFaux?
There. It's out of my system. :relief:
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 03/11/2005 : 12:18:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
I really miss the spontanaity of verlch. He could drop half a dozen suprises a day on you. Throughout these threads, I keep having to suppress the temptation to ask latinijral about 4,000 year old, fossil trees.
I thought it was 2,000 year old fossils! Oh well, perhaps the confusion is why things got so "fugly"!  |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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14408 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2005 : 13:57:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by filthy
I really miss the spontanaity of verlch. He could drop half a dozen suprises a day on you. Throughout these threads, I keep having to suppress the temptation to ask latinijral about 4,000 year old, fossil trees.
I thought it was 2,000 year old fossils! Oh well, perhaps the confusion is why things got so "fugly"!
Was it 2,000? Mayhaps t'was. With V, it is easy to lose track.
Eh, what's a couple o' thou in the grand scheme of evolution, especally when you're dealing with an old rock (I could be cruel and say, 'verlch's skull,' but I'll refrain)? 
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 03/11/2005 : 14:36:07 [Permalink]
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By the way-- are we ever going to get latinijral's take on why Geller is or isn't a fraud? If it's been addressed, could someone point out the post to me. I just skimmed through them and didn't see a clear answer. However, as we're now at 9 pages, it's possible that I missed it.
I ask only because I'd like to get back on topic. As I see it, various SFNers discussed why they thought that he was (or wasn't?) one, but since then it seems like the range of topics has been all over the place.
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/11/2005 : 14:57:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
By the way-- are we ever going to get latinijral's take on why Geller is or isn't a fraud? If it's been addressed, could someone point out the post to me. I just skimmed through them and didn't see a clear answer. However, as we're now at 9 pages, it's possible that I missed it.
I ask only because I'd like to get back on topic. As I see it, various SFNers discussed why they thought that he was (or wasn't?) one, but since then it seems like the range of topics has been all over the place.
So, let's get (back) on topic!
I all can get from this thread is that latinijral thinks Uri is a fraud, but not for the reasons skeptics believe; and so while skeptics are laughing at Uri, Uri is laughing at us skeptics while latinijral is laughing at both us skeptics and at Uri.
Unfortunately, latinijral hasn't really elaborated much beyond that.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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14408 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2005 : 15:10:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
By the way-- are we ever going to get latinijral's take on why Geller is or isn't a fraud? If it's been addressed, could someone point out the post to me. I just skimmed through them and didn't see a clear answer. However, as we're now at 9 pages, it's possible that I missed it.
I ask only because I'd like to get back on topic. As I see it, various SFNers discussed why they thought that he was (or wasn't?) one, but since then it seems like the range of topics has been all over the place.
So, let's get (back) on topic!
I'm not sure he even has a position on Geller. He's certainly yet to mention it if he has, and I don't much think that he will. Perhaps he'll suprise me.... And since when does 'topic' have anything to do with anything around here?
'K, I'll be good, mostly. Apart from quoting forum posts, latinijral seems to do little if any research. Taking this into consideration, I wonder if he's really looked at Geller or any of the rest of the so-called psychics. The info, pro and con, is easy to find -- a 'Uri Geller' google will bury you in it. And of course, Randi has a great deal on him, including burning his skanky ass in a lawsuit instigated by Geller.
So, I will take the liberty of re-asking Ricky's question: latinijral, do you believe that someone can perform his sort of act using no more than the power of his mind? In your considered opinion, did Geller actually manage to stop the decent of the Olympic Globe in '00?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
1278 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2005 : 17:25:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by filthy
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I don't want to shame you again here.
Your question is already answered in my other thread about the tactics of the old scepticism.
I will wait for your evidence.
You have shamed me, you say? How very quaint! When did you do this? Why haven't I noticed?
More importantly, why has no one else besides latinijral noticed?
What makes you so certain you can speak for everybody here?
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`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 03/11/2005 : 17:30:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Yah, napalm is effective as is molton lava. But damn, this guy's straw men are so flimsy that methane from a frog's ass ignited in the rain would put them to rest.
It's rather like arguing with a metronome. No matter where the weight is set, you still know exactly what it's going to do -- unless you're playing a fiddle, it's a dull scene .
If the Post of the Month wasn't dedicated to the SFN mission, I would have nominated this.
ah... The imagery, it is... compelling.
You are a poet at heart Filthy!
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latinijral
Banned
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Posted - 03/11/2005 : 23:35:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R. Wreck
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Originally posted by latinijral
Originally posted by latinijral:
A) You were on topic.
B)You didn't name Randi or Carlos.
C)You expressed your opinion about URI ---#61664; you don't care is he is still doing the same frauds and “laughing” to all the ones who thought he was “eliminated”.
D) You just care about Latinijral and what the new scepticism can do to “eliminate” all kind of fraudulent people. .
A)Correct
B)Correct
C)Partially correct. I don't much care about Uri Geller. However I have no idea what he's doing these days, whether or not he is laughing at anybody, or if anybody thought he was eliminated.
D)Wrong. I seriously doubt you or the "new skepticism" can eliminate anybody. And I think your obsession with this need to eliminate all kinds of fraudulent people is very unhealthy. .
A)Correct
B)Correct
C)Partially correct. You don't much care about Uri Geller. However in this topic you had the opportunity to learn a little more about Geller.
D)Wrong. I seriously doubt you were NOT the one who wrote before this :
“So, latinijral, I'll work to change what I can, and I'll leave the crusade of annihilation to you and the sons of the new skepticism. Good luck.”
And I hope the metaphoric use of the word “eliminate”, don't bring confusion to the killer instints some of you have inside.
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latinijral
Banned
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Posted - 03/11/2005 : 23:39:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy.
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Originally posted by latinijral
I don't want to shame you again here.
Your question is already answered in my other thread about the tactics of the old scepticism.
I will wait for your evidence.
You have shamed me, you say? How very quaint! When did you do this? Why haven't I noticed?
It is not I who needs to provide evidence -- I have made no claims other than the one below and the evidence for that is to be found in every thread in which you have been involved.
If a person who pretends to be skeptic is afraid to provide the evidence of his claim, then he is just a pseudo skeptic.
If a person who thinks that a skeptic is not obligated to provide no evidence of his claim , then he is just being a pseudo skeptic.
For a person who pretends to be skeptic , being a pseudo skeptic is a big insult ( as Dr.Mabuse once cried).
But you have to learn to live with the facts of your pseudo-skepticism.
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Originally posted by filthy.
You have debunked the old skepticsim, or so you claim. What pray, do you have to replace it? Tilting at Will o' the Wisp will not suffice.
If you claim that I debunked the scepticism or that I claimed that I debunked the scepticism , you need to provide the evidence first.
It is your claim .
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