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Marc_a_b
Skeptic Friend
USA
142 Posts |
 Posted - 09/19/2001 : 06:12:48
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First is the Scientologists. Tragedy breaks out and first instinct with them is recruitment. They've got hundreds of volunteers in NY and Washington to give aid, but more importantly (to them) pass out pamphlets on Way To Happiness, and other recruitment tactics.
On Fox News they managed to get a phone number listed as National Mental Health Assistance. NMHA, same initals and almost same name as National Mental Health Association. Fox was informed and they quickly took the number down. But they continue to activly try to prevent mental health workers from giving aid.
Can find links to couple articles here, plus insider information. Someone inside the cult passes on e-mails they get.
On a lighter note, here is a petition condemning Falwell. Nearly 12,000 signatures so far.
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Greg
Skeptic Friend
USA
281 Posts |
 Posted - 09/19/2001 : 06:20:23 [Permalink]
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Did you see Falwell's non-apology apology yet? It's on his website.
Greg.
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Marc_a_b
Skeptic Friend
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 09/19/2001 : 06:30:09 [Permalink]
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Yea, read it. Even the hypocritical delusional fundi realized he went too far. I don't think he's fooling anyone, I think he honestly believed every word he had said.
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 09/19/2001 : 08:29:22 [Permalink]
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Did you see Falwell's non-apology apology yet? It's on his website.
Greg.
Better yet, did you here Pat Robertson's response? During the nonsense Falwell was spewing, he was saying "I agree completely" and "amen!". Now he claims he didn't understand what Falwell was saying, and that Falwell's statements were "totally inappropriate".
Riiight.
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Actions mistaken for lip service paid
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James
SFN Regular
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 09/19/2001 : 22:08:48 [Permalink]
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If Robertson misheard Falwell and Robertson was sitting right next to Falwell, Robertson needs to get his hearing checked. Falwell needs to check into a mental hospital.
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Nenya
New Member
Canada
10 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2001 : 00:29:29 [Permalink]
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My response to the Falwell/Robertson thing: Who died and made you God? 
Even if you believe that a) liberals, feminists, homosexuals, abortionists, etc are evil, and b) God judges nations for their sins by allowing catastrophies, did God talk to you this week and say "This is my judgement on America because they have ignored me"???
If not, why the HELL are you jumping to conclusions like this? You just assume? The most logical spiritual reason for this tragedy is "we/they have been bad so God's punishing us"????
 Not cool.
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Kristin
Skeptic Friend
Canada
84 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2001 : 05:37:30 [Permalink]
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people who make me sick?
"THE US BROUGHT THIS ON THEMSELVES. THEY CREATED BIN LADEN!"
"THE AMERICANS HAD THIS COMING!"
"KILL THE RAGHEADS!"
"WAR DOESN'T SOLVE ANYTHING. WHY DOES THE US LOVE WAR SO MUCH?"*
*beats head on wall*
Take me away from this idiotic illogic, please. There are no easy answers here.
*note: pacifists have every right to believe what they want to. They're just lucky they weren't born a European Jew 70 years ago.
[end rant]
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2001 : 08:51:32 [Permalink]
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Hey kristin,
Would a militant warlord also be lucky not to be a European jew 70 years ago or does this only apply to pacifists?
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law! |
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Kristin
Skeptic Friend
Canada
84 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2001 : 09:14:10 [Permalink]
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Hey kristin,
Would a militant warlord also be lucky not to be a European jew 70 years ago or does this only apply to pacifists?
Of course not, it applies to everyone! And I'm sure you have a cite or two for me to show why I am wrong. However, I am entitled to my own opinion, and I believe that deadly force is justified and necessary in many cases. Such as stopping genocide and terrorism.
I don't recall saying anyone had to agree with me.
Does this militant warlord try to justify the slaughter of innocents in peacetime? Ie. does he fund and lead a terrorist organization that kills people who aren't even acquainted with their cause?
In that case, execute him on those grounds, not on the basis of his race.
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Ok, I know I need to clarify my position here as I am sounding quite(very) illucid today.
I believe pacifism is a wonderful thing to extoll, and wish we all could realize it, but when you and yours are not threatened, it's easy to point the finger and tell people they shouldn't fight. For the most part, it's a luxury almost unique to first world countries.
There, of course, is the exception of Ghandi (and I DO need to read up on this) but as I recall he had lived in wartime for most, if not all of his life, and was attempting a passive sort of attack from a different direction. A curveball, if you will. He also spent many years incarcerated for the choices he made. How many people do you know who hold their principles that strongly?
Good judgement comes from experience: experience comes from bad judgement.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2001 : 09:25:48 [Permalink]
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Does this militant warlord try to justify the slaughter of innocents in peacetime? Ie. does he fund and lead a terrorist organization that kills people who aren't even acquainted with their cause?
In that case, execute him on those grounds, not on the basis of his race.
I don't disgree with this. I just thought your statement about pacifists didn't make any sense.
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Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law! |
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2001 : 09:46:12 [Permalink]
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How many people do you know who hold their principles that strongly?
Not many. From what I have seen even the rationalists have tossed everything out the window and are reaching for guns to shoot any target that makes itself available. I recommend keeping your head down.
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law! |
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Kristin
Skeptic Friend
Canada
84 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2001 : 09:49:44 [Permalink]
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quote:
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How many people do you know who hold their principles that strongly?
Not many. From what I have seen even the rationalists have tossed everything out the window and are reaching for guns to shoot any target that makes itself available. I recommend keeping your head down.
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law!
Nah, I'm safe. We Canucks don't shoot people, eh?
(don't forget, the 'kill the ragheads' proponents were in my rant too *sigh*)
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2001 : 10:10:48 [Permalink]
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Hey, Canada's my favorite foreign country = )
I think it's extremism of all kinds we need to worry about. Look what's happened if I post that people should think about things...it's been taken as we should do nothing or that we should just send love over to them(whoever them are).
I wish that people would not consider recent events as an excuse to stop thinking.
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law! |
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gdaye
New Member
Canada
18 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2001 : 10:48:12 [Permalink]
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My cynical opinion is: the amount of intelligence in the world is a constant, but the population is growing.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2001 : 23:18:34 [Permalink]
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On a lighter note, here is a petition condemning Falwell. Nearly 12,000 signatures so far.
I don't think that's a lighter side. It's serious when someone thinks another US citizen doesn't have the right to say what he thinks.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2001 : 00:16:41 [Permalink]
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Well, it is the USA. Eveyone can say what they want right? Even if that means you say you are pissed off at what someone else says? We don't have to agree, but we argue peacefully amongst ourselves. We sign petitions, we lobby, we yell a lot. Beats the alternative.
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Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law! |
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