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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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 Posted - 09/21/2001 : 09:30:46 [Permalink]
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On a lighter note, here is a petition condemning Falwell. Nearly 12,000 signatures so far.
I don't think that's a lighter side. It's serious when someone thinks another US citizen doesn't have the right to say what he thinks.
nlm
Rap Crap is to music what Paint by Numbers is to art.
I signed this petition. It doesn't say he doesn't have the right to express his opinion. It says that his opinion is grotesquely wrong. And that the people who sign the petition condemn what he has said. Different speech not suppression of free speech.
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Marc_a_b
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 09/21/2001 : 10:56:36 [Permalink]
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On a lighter note, here is a petition condemning Falwell. Nearly 12,000 signatures so far.
I don't think that's a lighter side. It's serious when someone thinks another US citizen doesn't have the right to say what he thinks.
nlm
Rap Crap is to music what Paint by Numbers is to art.
No one is saying he doesn't have the right to express his opinion. We are pointing out what he said was stupid and insulting, and he should be ashamed. Would you deny us OUR right to express that opinion?
Saying this petition is trying to censor him is like saying your tag line is trying to censor rap. (which is crap)
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Greg
Skeptic Friend
USA
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comradebillyboy
Skeptic Friend
USA
188 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2001 : 18:30:04 [Permalink]
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yes phil gramm would rather protect bank secrecy than human beings. many of our leading citizens do put provit above all else. its this sort of ruthlessness that makes capitalism so effective; its this sort of ruthlessness that requires that private enterprise be regulated. the air line companies want congress to declare war so they can avoid financial liability for the lives lost due to the planes crashing.
the wall street journal urges bush and the republicans to get the most possible political milage out of the tragedy and push for capital gains tax cuts and other aspects of the conservative agenda and make the dems look unpatriotic if they demur.
god bless every ass-hole in america.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 09/21/2001 : 18:35:05 [Permalink]
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Saying this petition is trying to censor him is like saying your tag line is trying to censor rap. (which is crap)
No it's not. I am giving an opinion. If someone wants to debate that, fine. I don't have followers as he does. No one is going to go out and burn down recording studios because of what I say. What he said is more then a personal opinion.
BTW, do you mean rap crap, is? Or that what I said is crap?
You know, rap crap is not music, it's lousy noise. And anyone who listens to it is intellectually and culturally inferior(as much of the world has become lately).
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Well, it is the USA. Eveyone can say what they want right? Even if that means you say you are pissed off at what someone else says? We don't have to agree, but we argue peacefully amongst ourselves. We sign petitions, we lobby, we yell a lot. Beats the alternative.
@tomic
I signed this petition. It doesn't say he doesn't have the right to express his opinion. It says that his opinion is grotesquely wrong. And that the people who sign the petition condemn what he has said. Different speech not suppression of free speech.
Valiant Dancer
No one is saying he doesn't have the right to express his opinion. We are pointing out what he said was stupid and insulting, and he should be ashamed. Would you deny us OUR right to express that opinion?
Marc_a_b
Yes, I knew someone would bring that up, that the petitioners have a right too. But 'condemn 'is the key word. It to me, implies censorship.
Yes, @ petitions and lobbying beats the alternative but it's not a debate, it's like badgering someone into feeling afraid to speak.
I only wanted to point out that the outrage could be handled in a different way other then what seems like trying to silence someone from his opinions.
(Boy! I hope I answered everything...more later )
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 09/21/2001 : 19:44:15 [Permalink]
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No, it's not censorship to use the word condemn. It's just a feeling and statement about an action/statement/ideology you disagree with. In other words, it's just one of many words in the arsenal.
@tomic
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Greg
Skeptic Friend
USA
281 Posts |
Posted - 09/22/2001 : 06:11:17 [Permalink]
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the air line companies want congress to declare war so they can avoid financial liability for the lives lost due to the planes crashing.
The insurance company are doing likewise so that they don't have to pay death benefits to the victims families. Seems like acts of terrorism are like accidental death but acts of war are exempt from benefits. Free markets my ass. These corporations want no interference in their money making but want all the protection the goverment can give from liability.
Greg.
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 09/23/2001 : 17:34:30 [Permalink]
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The insurance company are doing likewise so that they don't have to pay death benefits to the victims families.
I've heard that insurance companies are almost unanymously waiving the "Act of War" clause, and are going to pay out full benefits, no matter what the terrorists' act is determined to have been. Do you have sources that say otherwise?
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ljbrs
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 09/29/2001 : 15:13:20 [Permalink]
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Well, it is the USA. Eveyone can say what they want right? Even if that means you say you are pissed off at what someone else says? We don't have to agree, but we argue peacefully amongst ourselves. We sign petitions, we lobby, we yell a lot. Beats the alternative.
@tomic
Good thinking...
ljbrs
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