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Trish
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 Posted - 11/07/2001 : 14:18:36 [Permalink]
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Oh damn! And I missed it.
It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. -Mark Twain |
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darwin alogos
SFN Regular
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Posted - 11/07/2001 : 18:55:56 [Permalink]
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 Thanks Dr.Slater that was one of the best bedtimes stories I've heard in a long time.And to think the moral of the story is:we're because of algae shit. 
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The Rat
SFN Regular
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Posted - 11/07/2001 : 19:00:32 [Permalink]
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Thanks Dr.Slater that was one of the best bedtimes stories I've heard in a long time.And to think the moral of the story is:we're because of algae shit.
By Jove! I think he's finally getting it!
Free speech; excercise it or SHUT UP!
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/07/2001 : 19:14:44 [Permalink]
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Flesh & Darwin, at this point I can see that you're gluttons for punishment.
So, ok. Here's a link for you: www.talkorigins.org. Here you will find more than you ever wanted to know about Creation Science (a wonderful oxymoron, that) and Evolution.
I strongly reccommend that you study your topic diligently before you debate, rather than go to all that fuss and bother afterward.
luck,
f
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filthy
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Tokyodreamer
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USA
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Posted - 11/07/2001 : 20:01:25 [Permalink]
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The link failed.
For future reference, you just have to watch out ending a sentence with a link. Add a space before the period, so the board doesn't include it in the link, making it not work.
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@tomic
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Posted - 11/07/2001 : 20:17:49 [Permalink]
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Actually, it was missing the r in origins but I edited it and it now works.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/08/2001 : 04:01:19 [Permalink]
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Many thanks, y'all.
I haven't quite made it into the electronic age and sometimes the mysteries of of it all elude me. Old dog, new tricks, and so forth.
f
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darwin alogos
SFN Regular
USA
532 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2001 : 04:44:10 [Permalink]
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 To Dr. Slater,it seems your fairy tale about our saviour 'algae shit'just doesn't add up to real experimental science.I refer you to Dr. A.E.Wilder Smith's/THE NATURAL SCIENCES KNOW NOTHING OF EVOLUTION/p.14"Thus, if excess water is present in reacting mixture,peptide synthesis DOES NOT TAKE PLACE[emph.mine],equilibrium remains on the side of the initial reagents,the amino acids which are the building blocks of life .This phenomenon is covered by the law of mass action...The ocean is thus the last place on this or any other planet where the proteins of life could be formed spontaneously from amino acids.
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Garrette
SFN Regular
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562 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2001 : 05:32:16 [Permalink]
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Oh, pish tosh.
I'll leave the specifics of algae shit science to those who know more, but it doesn't take long to figure out Dr. Wilder-Smith's lack of skills in this area.
Here's the blurb trying to sell his book:
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An analysis of evolution from the perspective of biological sciences...the great obstacles of the evolutionary theory! Documentation proves conclusively that biogenesis could not have taken place by chance. This book tells you why!
How often do we have to say it? The origin of life and evolution have absolutely nothing to do with each other. And evolution and natural selection (remember, they're different, too) are not based on 'chance.'
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The Rat
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Canada
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Posted - 11/08/2001 : 05:37:05 [Permalink]
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The ocean is thus the last place on this or any other planet where the proteins of life could be formed spontaneously from amino acids.
And your point is? Who has ever said with certainty that life began in an ocean? Maybe it began in a puddle of sulphurous slime. Maybe it began in the atmosphere. The point is, it began. But just because we don't know exactly how yet, you say that we have to give up any hope of scientific discovery, throw up our hands, and claim that there must be a god that did it. When will your type ever answer the age-old question; where did god come from?
My answer: you never will. At least science tries to find answers. Your type doesn't. Your methodology, religion, simply won't allow it.
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Garrette
SFN Regular
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562 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2001 : 05:50:00 [Permalink]
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Here's the blurb from another of his 'books' (they call them technical material on the site, which is www.sixdaycreation.com). Interestingly, they give no information on publishers or publication dates.
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The Creation of Life A.E. Wilder-Smith
The purpose of this book is to supply intellectual weapons for those who wish to defend their faith, showing the unique nature of life's origin and pointing out the missing factors in Neo-Darwinism. 251 Pages. (High School - Adult)
$7.99
This next one is almost worth ordering:
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Time Dimension by Dr. A.E. Wilder-Smith
This book examines five foundational evolutionary assumptions critically. All the author requests of his readers is a cold examination of what experimental science has to say today on matters which bear as a whole on the Biblical testimony ...from the laboratory.
121 pages. (Teenage-Adult)
$7.99
Let me repeat that I am not literate in the science aspects of this subject, but even a little research yields much giving credence to evolution and natural selection.
Try this link to give yourself a bit more ammuniton, Darwin, from someone a bit more level-headed than Wilder-Smith: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-abiogenesis.html
But let me quote his last paragraph:
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Perhaps this more or less even-handed treatment of abiogenesis will give comfort to creationists or to those who see intelligent design, but I warn them: to trumpet the barrier today is to eat your words when it falls tomorrow. If you make a proof of Jesus (or Buddha or any supernaturalism) on the back of abiogenesis, be prepared for the disproof as well. Such a disproof is unfair, and not necessarily logically linked, but it will be so perceived.
Another link to talkorigins that may clear things up a bit: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob.html
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Thus, if excess water is present in reacting mixture,peptide synthesis DOES NOT TAKE PLACE[emph.mine],equilibrium remains on the side of the initial reagents,the amino acids which are the building blocks of life .This phenomenon is covered by the law of mass action...The ocean is thus the last place on this or any other planet where the proteins of life could be formed spontaneously from amino acids.
Granted I may be totally off the mark, here, but let me take a stab. I'll take no offense when it's pointed I'm totally off the mark.
It seems the same flaw exists here as does the creationist argument that evolution violates the 2nd Law of Thermo Dynamics.
The oceans ARE NOT A CLOSED SYSTEM.
Quick quotation for a basic science-primer site:
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In order to discuss equilibrium, we must define a system, which may be a cup of water, a balloon, a laboratory, a planet or a universe. Thus, for discussion purpose, we define an isolated portion of the universe as a system, and anything outside of the system is called environment.
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@tomic
Administrator
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Posted - 11/08/2001 : 08:22:21 [Permalink]
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Darwin, I'm not sure if you are aware of it or not but your tactics come right out of the creationist play book. You attack evolution, also things that have nothing to do with evolution, in an attempt to tear down evolution thinking that somehow strengthens your own position. That's not how it works. Even if evolution is someday withdrawn, creationism has no legs to stand on and never will. You introducing issues unrelated to evolution help prove my point. The things you throw in are all issues you feel threaten faith. So you attack and attack and attack. Fortunately for science your lack of debating skills and failure to give any evidence does zero for your cause.
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The Rat
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 11/08/2001 : 08:23:22 [Permalink]
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Here's the real point;
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The Creation of Life A.E. Wilder-Smith
The purpose of this book is to supply intellectual weapons for those who wish to defend their faith, showing the unique nature of life's origin and pointing out the missing factors in Neo-Darwinism. 251 Pages. (High School - Adult)
$7.99
I've added the italics. This isn't about facts, data, science, or observation, but faith. Blind, unthinking, unyielding faith.
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Slater
SFN Regular
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Posted - 11/08/2001 : 16:25:34 [Permalink]
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To Dr. Slater, it seems your fairy tale about our saviour 'algae shit'just doesn't add up to real experimental science.
Let me guess. Not only do you not believe in evolution but you think photosynthesis is a fake. So just what is it that you are breathing if there is no oxygen?
I refer you to Dr. A.E.Wilder Smith's/THE NATURAL SCIENCES
KNOW NOTHING OF EVOLUTION/p.14
The correct title of this should be "Wilder-Smith knows nothing of the natural sciences"
"Thus, if excess water is present in reacting mixture, peptide synthesis DOES NOT TAKE PLACE[emph.mine],
Peptide synthesis? Do you even know what a peptone is? Or what the amino acids are, that make them up? Do you know what synthesis means, since you folk were having such trouble with the word "theory?"
equilibrium remains on the side of the initial reagents,the amino acids which are the building blocks of life .
Unless of course you add energy. Just about any energy will do. Lightning works fine, geo-thermal works nicely. And you can't beat ultra-violet light.
Hell, they have even found that there are clouds of organic matter between the stars. It's a lot tougher than A.E. would have you believe.
This phenomenon is covered by the law of mass action..
The law of what? There is no law by that name.
The ocean is thus the last place on this or any other planet where the proteins of life could be formed spontaneously from amino acids.
Utter nonsense, it's an absolutely perfect place. What is this phony a doctor of?
D'Alogos, why, when I tell you how you're harmful solar radiation is shielded by seawater and the ozone layer did you immediately change the subject? I realize that you are so frightened by the world that your first reaction to anyone who will tell you the facts, be it your son's teachers or me, is to stick your fingers in your ears.
Let me tell you why your theory (and I use the word in the sense that you ascribe it-a guess) is full of crap.
It's because you have no creator.
Feel free to prove me wrong. All you have to do is trot god's ass out here and let us take a look at it. Prove he exists. Otherwise forget it, creationism is a myth left over from the Neolithic period.
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