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the_ignored
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 Posted - 03/07/2005 : 18:49:28
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I dunno...
just complaining, or slightly anti-semitic? Read the rest of what he says and tell me, I don't know. I do know that complaining by xians about that stuff has probably led to anti-semitism, for example, Martin Luther's book "On the Jews and Their Lies".
Ironically enough, Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis still heaps praise upon Luther, while he and his group blame evolution as the cause of anti-semitism, even though no "evolutionist" has ever gone anywhere near as far as Luther in attacking the jews.
What sodding hypocrosy!
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
Edited by - the_ignored on 03/07/2005 18:54:12
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 03/07/2005 : 20:12:37 [Permalink]
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Luther was a raging anti-semite, but he came into it gradually.
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Martin Luther and Judaism
Luther initially preached tolerance towards the Jewish people, convinced that the reason they had never converted to Christianity was that they were discriminated against. However, after his overtures to Jews failed to convince Jewish people to adopt Christianity, he began preaching that the Jews were inherently evil, and that they should be destroyed. Luther called the Jewish people "venomous beasts, vipers, disgusting scum, canders, devils incarnate. Their private houses must be destroyed and devastated, they could be lodged in stables. Let the magistrates burn their synagogues and let whatever escapes be covered with sand and mud. Let them force to work, and if this avails nothing, we will be compelled to expel them like dogs in order not to expose ourselves to incurring divine wrath and eternal damnation from the Jews and their lies." (Source: Martin Luther, Tischreden (Table Talk) )
In recent years the Lutheran Church has apologized for, and officially renounced, Luther's antisemitism, which they conceded was one of the reasons that the Holocaust was possible in a largely Lutheran nation. In 1994, the Church Council of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America publicly rejected the parts of Luther's writings that advocated government action against practitioners of Judaism.
Christian persecutions of jews has a rich history going back to virtually the beginning of the cult.
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Christians began to show philosophical differences with Judaism at the early outset of Christianity. Debates among Paul, other Jewish Christians (e.g. Nazarenes and Ebionites), and other Jews revolved around a unique feature of Judaism: it claimed to worship a universal God through a particular religion. In other words, Judaism claims that its God is the God of all, but does not require non-Jews to follow Jewish law in order to worship that God. Since Jesus was Jewish, the question facing early Christians was whether gentiles had to follow Jewish law in order to follow Jesus.
Paul argued not only that gentiles did not have to follow Jewish law; he argued that Jews ought no longer to follow Jewish law. The establishment of Paul's views led to a break between Christianity and Judaism:
The Roman Empire viewed Christianity as intolerant, and as long as Christians were marginal within the empire they were persecuted; however, as Jewish pluralism conformed to Roman pluralism, the Empire protected Judaism. Once Christianity was established as the official religion of the Empire, however, Christian persecution of Judaism increased.
Thus, Luther, et al, could be quite comfortable in condemning them, as the jew-bashers remain today.
I note that Ham finished up his screed in the usual, sacred way: panhandling.
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Can I humbly ask you to commit to continue (or begin) supporting AiG, financially and prayerfully, as we strive to help “rebuild the foundation” of God's Word in the culture … and at this critical time?
Odd is it not, that all times are 'critical' with these people?
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 03/07/2005 : 22:22:26 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by filthy
I note that Ham finished up his screed in the usual, sacred way: panhandling.
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Can I humbly ask you to commit to continue (or begin) supporting AiG, financially and prayerfully, as we strive to help “rebuild the foundation” of God's Word in the culture … and at this critical time?
I've always found it humorous that these Xian cults of personality disguise their begging for ca$h by including in their pleas the word "prayerfully."
I find it particularly telling that Ham and that whore Han Hanegraaff aren't satisfied with just a prayerful offering-- to be worthwhile, it needs to be financial, too.
Shouldn't prayers to god for support be enough?!? I guess not... |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/08/2005 : 02:23:26 [Permalink]
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I can't find the name of the guy but some Christian (leader of something) was interviewed on Air America yesterday. When asked, didn't he care about the deaths of Iraqi children during this war, he replied, "No" and something to the effect the Iraqis were something less than Americans and their deaths didn't matter. My son who normally doesn't say much about my radio programs said he couldn't believe the guy had actually said that.
If I find out who the guy was and what his position was I'll post it. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 03/08/2005 : 08:30:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Luther was a raging anti-semite, but he came into it gradually.
Not sure I believe that. He was raised Catholic and entered the priesthood. Catholic dogma of the day echoed the same sentiments that Luther wrote about in 1543.(A paper called "On the Jews and their Lies") I believe he was indoctorinated into it by the prevailing society and religion of the area. He may have very well moderated it somewhat later in life, but he was still very much a product of his surroundings.
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Martin Luther and Judaism
Luther initially preached tolerance towards the Jewish people, convinced that the reason they had never converted to Christianity was that they were discriminated against. However, after his overtures to Jews failed to convince Jewish people to adopt Christianity, he began preaching that the Jews were inherently evil, and that they should be destroyed. Luther called the Jewish people "venomous beasts, vipers, disgusting scum, canders, devils incarnate. Their private houses must be destroyed and devastated, they could be lodged in stables. Let the magistrates burn their synagogues and let whatever escapes be covered with sand and mud. Let them force to work, and if this avails nothing, we will be compelled to expel them like dogs in order not to expose ourselves to incurring divine wrath and eternal damnation from the Jews and their lies." (Source: Martin Luther, Tischreden (Table Talk) )
In recent years the Lutheran Church has apologized for, and officially renounced, Luther's antisemitism, which they conceded was one of the reasons that the Holocaust was possible in a largely Lutheran nation. In 1994, the Church Council of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America publicly rejected the parts of Luther's writings that advocated government action against practitioners of Judaism.
Christian persecutions of jews has a rich history going back to virtually the beginning of the cult.
quote:
Christians began to show philosophical differences with Judaism at the early outset of Christianity. Debates among Paul, other Jewish Christians (e.g. Nazarenes and Ebionites), and other Jews revolved around a unique feature of Judaism: it claimed to worship a universal God through a particular religion. In other words, Judaism claims that its God is the God of all, but does not require non-Jews to follow Jewish law in order to worship that God. Since Jesus was Jewish, the question facing early Christians was whether gentiles had to follow Jewish law in order to follow Jesus.
Paul argued not only that gentiles did not have to follow Jewish law; he argued that Jews ought no longer to follow Jewish law. The establishment of Paul's views led to a break between Christianity and Judaism:
The Roman Empire viewed Christianity as intolerant, and as long as Christians were marginal within the empire they were persecuted; however, as Jewish pluralism conformed to Roman pluralism, the Empire protected Judaism. Once Christianity was established as the official religion of the Empire, however, Christian persecution of Judaism increased.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2005 : 09:28:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by filthy
Luther was a raging anti-semite, but he came into it gradually.
Not sure I believe that. He was raised Catholic and entered the priesthood. Catholic dogma of the day echoed the same sentiments that Luther wrote about in 1543.(A paper called "On the Jews and their Lies") I believe he was indoctorinated into it by the prevailing society and religion of the area. He may have very well moderated it somewhat later in life, but he was still very much a product of his surroundings.
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Martin Luther and Judaism
Luther initially preached tolerance towards the Jewish people, convinced that the reason they had never converted to Christianity was that they were discriminated against. However, after his overtures to Jews failed to convince Jewish people to adopt Christianity, he began preaching that the Jews were inherently evil, and that they should be destroyed. Luther called the Jewish people "venomous beasts, vipers, disgusting scum, canders, devils incarnate. Their private houses must be destroyed and devastated, they could be lodged in stables. Let the magistrates burn their synagogues and let whatever escapes be covered with sand and mud. Let them force to work, and if this avails nothing, we will be compelled to expel them like dogs in order not to expose ourselves to incurring divine wrath and eternal damnation from the Jews and their lies." (Source: Martin Luther, Tischreden (Table Talk) )
In recent years the Lutheran Church has apologized for, and officially renounced, Luther's antisemitism, which they conceded was one of the reasons that the Holocaust was possible in a largely Lutheran nation. In 1994, the Church Council of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America publicly rejected the parts of Luther's writings that advocated government action against practitioners of Judaism.
Christian persecutions of jews has a rich history going back to virtually the beginning of the cult.
quote:
Christians began to show philosophical differences with Judaism at the early outset of Christianity. Debates among Paul, other Jewish Christians (e.g. Nazarenes and Ebionites), and other Jews revolved around a unique feature of Judaism: it claimed to worship a universal God through a particular religion. In other words, Judaism claims that its God is the God of all, but does not require non-Jews to follow Jewish law in order to worship that God. Since Jesus was Jewish, the question facing early Christians was whether gentiles had to follow Jewish law in order to follow Jesus.
Paul argued not only that gentiles did not have to follow Jewish law; he argued that Jews ought no longer to follow Jewish law. The establishment of Paul's views led to a break between Christianity and Judaism:
The Roman Empire viewed Christianity as intolerant, and as long as Christians were marginal within the empire they were persecuted; however, as Jewish pluralism conformed to Roman pluralism, the Empire protected Judaism. Once Christianity was established as the official religion of the Empire, h |
"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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