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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/03/2005 : 23:02:16
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Same as with Reagan's death, all the gushing of goodness was hard to take. I was reminded of a particular time period by a program about the Pope on TV last night. The incident gave me all the more cynicism against religion. The Pope really did turn his back on the poor in Central America that were struggling against the rich corrupt USA supported dictatorial governments. Just like Reagan. Hypocrites without even recognizing their hypocrisy.
Did you know the Pope urged El Salvador's Archbishop Romero to cooperate with the government before he was murdered by the government. Apparently the Pope was a staunch anti-communist from his days when he was a youth and the Nazis killed millions of Polish Jews. Not that the Pope should have had more courage than the millions of other Poles that didn't try to help any Jews at the time. And, perhaps he was right to be an anti-communist afterward. However, I think his experiences must have blinded him to the real evil, a government that assassinates its people regardless of the supposed ideology. Instead of recognizing the similarities between the Salvadorian government death squads and the Nazi death squads, the Pope urged Romero to cooperate with the government and not the 'communist' rebels.
Then there was that no condoms in spite of the AIDS epidemic garbage. Not to mention God would rather you die than you should try to prevent pregnancy if you lived in a place where poverty meant you could not afford more children nor medical care should the pregnancy threaten your life. As if women had the option of abstinence in such settings.
The Christians are always quick to condemn women's rights in the Muslim religion without mentioning the lack of women's rights in the Catholic and other Christian religions.
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pfretzschner
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 04/03/2005 : 23:07:36 [Permalink]
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Yes, by all means, say bad things. By that, I mean bring up the uncomfortable reality that he was an instrument of oppression as much as a symbol of freedom.
And I'm sick to death of Pope-memorial coverage. What about real news? What about Michael Jackson? |
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Dik-Dik Van Dik
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/03/2005 : 23:11:32 [Permalink]
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| I think a balanced view is preferable to a glowing one, or a needlessly offensive one. |
DARWIN 3:16
"The simple believeth every word." - Proverbs 14:15
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/04/2005 : 00:28:31 [Permalink]
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"balanced" is code for FOX.
PErsonally, I want truthfull and accurate.
"balanced" can take a flyin hike.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/04/2005 : 02:12:44 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dude
"balanced" is code for FOX.
PErsonally, I want truthfull and accurate.
"balanced" can take a flyin hike.
Exactly right, which is the reason I don't bother with TV news on any station, and damned little radio.
The Catholic views on women and contraception, including condoms, have been in place for a long time and I don't forsee any changes.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/04/2005 : 02:51:27 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by filthy
The Catholic views on women and contraception, including condoms, have been in place for a long time and I don't forsee any changes.
Well at some point they embraced evolution and I'd guess they believe the Earth orbits the Sun and all that. Seems it's OK to change some things in the Book, if they don't apply to liberating women. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/04/2005 : 03:17:28 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal
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Originally posted by filthy
The Catholic views on women and contraception, including condoms, have been in place for a long time and I don't forsee any changes.
Well at some point they embraced evolution and I'd guess they believe the Earth orbits the Sun and all that. Seems it's OK to change some things in the Book, if they don't apply to liberating women.
Historicly, Christianity in general and the Catholics in particular are quite nimble in changing things around to face unavoidable facts, AiG, et al, to the contrary. Unfortunatly, women are so deeply embedded in the dogma that any improvement would require a basic change there, and that would be fought tooth and nail.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 04/04/2005 : 04:32:43 [Permalink]
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| Yep. Apparently, catholics even consider the Big Bang as being in accordance to the bible. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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Dik-Dik Van Dik
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/04/2005 : 08:46:04 [Permalink]
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Does the pope make any important decisions which affect catholics and in turn non-catholics lives significantly? Or is he merely an icon with nothing but formal duties, speeches and appearances?
I'm assuming its the latter, but I know little about the subject. |
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Siberia
SFN Addict
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Posted - 04/04/2005 : 10:16:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dik-Dik Van Dik
Does the pope make any important decisions which affect catholics and in turn non-catholics lives significantly? Or is he merely an icon with nothing but formal duties, speeches and appearances?
I'm assuming its the latter, but I know little about the subject.
As far as I know, the Pope has a lot of authority, even if not directly. It shouldn't influence non-catholics lives, but it does by aftershock. For instance, if the Pope says he is against embryonic stem cell research, you bet fervorous catholics all around the world will fight against it. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2005 : 11:31:35 [Permalink]
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The pope corpse:
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Yes, sir, nothin' else matters when there's a Pope corpse around. Don't let that fucker rest in peace.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 04/04/2005 : 11:34:07 [Permalink]
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Bush ordered all state flags to half staff, I refused to do so and lost my flag lowering privliges for the day.
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"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/04/2005 : 11:57:05 [Permalink]
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That is just frickin' near the most beautiful thing I've ever read in my life.
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Originally posted by filthy
The pope corpse:
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I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/04/2005 : 14:11:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
The pope corpse:
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Yes, sir, nothin' else matters when there's a Pope corpse around.
I tell you, it was a media Godsend. Just when they were about to run out of Schiavo and face possible analysis of their disgusting Schiavo mis-coverage,... saved by the bacterial army sent by God.
And about the time the autopsy report is published, they'll have a new Pope to occupy the masses. |
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Bradley
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2005 : 14:22:29 [Permalink]
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I think Colonel Bob said it best over a century ago.
"The Catholics have a Pope. Protestants laugh at them, and yet the Pope is capable of intellectual advancement. In addition to this, the Pope is mortal, and the church cannot be afflicted with the same idiot forever. The Protestants have a book for their Pope. The book cannot advance. Year after year, and century after century, the book remains as ignorant as ever
- Robert Green Ingersoll (1833 -1899)
source: Roger E. Greeley (ed.) The Best of Robert Ingersoll, Prometheus Books, 1983 |
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