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tergiversant
Skeptic Friend
USA
284 Posts |
 Posted - 09/26/2001 : 10:40:46
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Poll Question:
Are public schools displaying “GOD BLESS AMERICA” on their marquees violating the ethical principle of separation of church and state?
"Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione."
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| Results: |
| Yes |
 [67%] |
57 votes |
| No |
[25%] |
21 votes |
| Depends |
[8%] |
7 votes |
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Poll Status:
Locked »» |
Total Votes: 85 counted »» |
Last Vote:
06/28/2005 18:50:08 |
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
 Posted - 09/26/2001 : 10:50:51 [Permalink]
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Do we need this poll twice?
@tomic
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tergiversant
Skeptic Friend
USA
284 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2001 : 10:53:27 [Permalink]
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quote:
Do we need this poll twice?
If our legal principles are based on sound ethical principles, no. Otherwise, yes.
Edited by - tergiversant on 09/26/2001 10:54:12 |
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2001 : 11:34:08 [Permalink]
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Uhhh OK, I just think two polls so similar might cause some confusion. I was confused 
@tomic
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
4826 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2001 : 11:59:54 [Permalink]
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I said "No" because it does not change the policies and procedures within the school. It merely echoes the sentiment around the nation at this point. There are times when marque messages of such an innoculous and simple nature can be blown off ethically while it violates the letter of the law.
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Hook
Skeptic Friend
USA
79 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2001 : 13:02:36 [Permalink]
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No, it's okay. Doesn't say which God, after all. I always picture this guy with moss in his hair and deer antlers blessing America. I mean, that's what everyone pictures, right. 
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2001 : 13:05:18 [Permalink]
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Dyslexic people wonder what kind of dog they're talking about 
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law! |
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Slater
SFN Regular
USA
1668 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2001 : 18:29:40 [Permalink]
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I still haven't figured out how they get away with putting IN GOD WE TRUST on the money.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2001 : 18:38:02 [Permalink]
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I think it should be obvious by now that the Constitution is merely a guideline rather than anything that significant. Ever since the last election I've had a hard time looking at what it says the same way.
@tomic
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ljbrs
SFN Regular
USA
842 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2001 : 19:06:36 [Permalink]
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I think it should be obvious by now that the Constitution is merely a guideline rather than anything that significant. Ever since the last election I've had a hard time looking at what it says the same way.
No, the problem here is that our Senators and Representatives cannot read. Perhaps dyslexia is a problem for politicians in general. Then again, politicians have little trouble holding onto many conflicting viewpoints -- simultaneously...
Actually, religion would not bother me very much if it did not have such a long sordid history. Most of the killings in this world were religiously oriented in some way or another. Thoughtful, rational people do not feel the need to create acts of terror to bring others into submission regarding their viewpoints.
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tergiversant
Skeptic Friend
USA
284 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2001 : 09:07:59 [Permalink]
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Oddly enough, while I'm the only person to say that it is technically legal, I do think it quite deeply immoral. I believe the civil authorities ought not use any taxpayer money to support any religious belief system whatsoever. I only wish that was what the Constitution actually said.
"Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione."
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bjones
Skeptic Friend
Australia
82 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2001 : 16:17:41 [Permalink]
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I still haven't figured out how they get away with putting IN GOD WE TRUST on the money.
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The brain that was stolen from my laboratory was a criminal brain. Only evil will come from it.
The Australian dollar has dropped close to a all time low against the US$ would anyone stupidly argue it needs "divine intervention"
bjones
Remember: when you die your philosophy dies with you
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Piltdown
Skeptic Friend
USA
312 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2001 : 14:59:07 [Permalink]
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I still haven't figured out how they get away with putting IN GOD WE TRUST on the money.
My theory: It was supposed to be "In Gold We Trust" but there was a typo and nobody has had the guts to challenge the superstition lobby by fixing it.
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Rev. Tarthpeigust
New Member
USA
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Posted - 01/29/2002 : 20:08:12 [Permalink]
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Here in Mississippi, every school in the state was sent a bunch of posters that read 'In God We Trust'. They justified it by claiming that, since it is the motto or whatever, it isn't a violation of the separation of church and state. Here's the kicker: it is required that each classroom have it posted where it is clearly visible. I kind of wondered about the legality of it myself...
"I believe that the extraordinary should be pursued.
But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
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Randy
SFN Regular
USA
1990 Posts |
Posted - 01/29/2002 : 20:27:22 [Permalink]
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No doubt about it Rev, they've violated the separation of church and state. It's not a state nor country's motto, it's just their self-serving hooie. If they could they'd install coukoo clocks in public schools to churp out scriptures on the hour.
Randy
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Megan
Skeptic Friend
USA
163 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2002 : 17:54:46 [Permalink]
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You know, I was going to write our Govenor about the Pledge of Alliegince discussing "God". That and the part where all of our currency has "In God We Trust" on it. I talked to Lisa about this(you may remember Lisa) but then I was discouraged to do it when I talked to my mother and stepmother(dad would not of cared and stepdad cant tell the difference between what he says and sh*t). They both told me that:
1. The guy probably wouldnt even read the letter,
2. It would be a waste of my time and a distraction of my studdies(Ok but from my point of view, this is actually helping my studies, am I not correct? While thinking about doing this, I talked to two of my teachers, Mrs. Loy[9th grade civics and world geography teacher] and Mr. Brownrigg[8th grade social studdies teacher] Mr. B(as I like to call him) basically told me that I would have to research the subject more to know if I really had a point. M. Loy gave me some sites to visit and told me that I have a good head start using the Constitution to back me up. She also told me that she didnt know if it was against our constitutional rights to have this put on our currency and pledge...interesting coming from a Civics teacher. Therefore, I have learned a great deal about the Constitution and our rights.)
and 3. They pretty much told me all of the reasons why we have all of that stuff everywhere and why they think that it is on our currency and the pledge.
God* I just hate it when people do that, discourage you from what you think is right. I never did follow through with it sad to say. But I am glad to hear that it is now unconstitutional to say the pledge in school(correct me if I'm wrong about this). But I will say, saying the pledge was no biggy for me, being an athiest and all. All I did was not say the god stuff. I dont see why other athiests around the country could not of done the same? Yes I know that I hold two totally different points of view. But that's just me I guess.
~Megan~
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