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Mespo_man
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 10/01/2001 : 09:52:05 [Permalink]
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Not to work towards what is fair as best we can is to give up. Then you won't need a resume'.
Everyone who works needs a resume, Gorgo. Be it George Bush, Bill Maher, Gorgo or yours truely. I agree that we should work towards what is fair. But neither you nor I are in control of all events that determine our fates. So you adjust and move on. Perhaps Maher will weather the storm, perhaps not.
Or, to put it another way, I support the fire levies that keep our village fire department in top shape, even though my house is currently not ablaze.
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Piltdown
Skeptic Friend
USA
312 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2001 : 10:15:45 [Permalink]
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I can't help but contrast this moronic lynching party with the advertisers' deafening silence after so many of us complained about the Fox moon hoax-hoax. This is not a trivial comparison. The moon hoax-hoax directly and unambiguously accused a great many good Americans, including many military personnel, of things that are a good deal worse than "cowardice". The most encouraging response I got from any advertiser was from General Motors, which promised to review its policy of "block purchase" of advertising time, and pay more attention to the content of the sponsored programming. Gateway computers had specifically asked for time during the hoax-hoax broadcast and offered no apology for doing so. The difference, of course, is purely in the volume of the complaints. A few thousand people at most complained about the moon hoax. Hysterical swarms, and a sizable part of the media, have jumped on Bill Maher. The advertisers couldn't care less about the relative merit of the complaints, and perhaps they shouldn't, but their pious language is nauseating in its hypocrisy.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 10/01/2001 : 10:22:03 [Permalink]
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Adjust and move on doesn't mean that you don't keep working towards what is right.
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Everyone who works needs a resume, Gorgo. Be it George Bush, Bill Maher, Gorgo or yours truely. I agree that we should work towards what is fair. But neither you nor I are in control of all events that determine our fates. So you adjust and move on. Perhaps Maher will weather the storm, perhaps not.
Or, to put it another way, I support the fire levies that keep our village fire department in top shape, even though my house is currently not ablaze.
(:raig
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 10/02/2001 : 00:28:27 [Permalink]
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That's fine Snake. Again I never once said that advertisers couldn't do what they want. Ditto for ABC/Disney. Everyone got that by now???? LOL
OK! OK!
And as a Disney stock holder, I'm glad of that too.
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You don't like Bill even though he's a Libertarian? That's one of the things i don't like about him but what the hell.
@tomic
@, then you don't have anything to worry about, you can now go on liking him. LOL, he's more like a conservitive Democrat!? I don't know, but he's not a true card carrying Libertarian. I like to think that he's not unlike Ayn Rand....a mish maush of everybody elses ideas with not an orginal thought of his own. Funny you should mention that though because Larry Elder(local radio talk show host and very much Libertarian) was very upset that Bill calls himself a libertarian. Larry said that the time he was on PI he wanted to say something about that to Bill but thought it would be impolite at the time. Look for him to do so the next time he's on, heh, he.
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NubiWan
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 10/02/2001 : 10:18:13 [Permalink]
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I agree that it's completely fair for companies to pull their advertising. It's also fair for fans to sign a petition.
I don't always agree with Bill Maher but these companies are not looking at the issue closely enough. I watch Politically Incorrect religiously and know that Bill Maher has indeed supported the military throughout all his shows. To have people purpously distort what he said is, in my opinion, wrong.
@tomic
The world has indeed changed... Just got around to reading this thread. Gasp! Completely agree with your point, @tomic, where did we go wrong?
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Mespo_man
Skeptic Friend
USA
312 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2001 : 10:45:02 [Permalink]
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The world has indeed changed... Just got around to reading this thread. Gasp! Completely agree with your point, @tomic, where did we go wrong?
I believe it's referred to as the "siege mentality". Why spoil cool, detached, critcal analysis when a good ol' fashioned "yur fer me or agin me" mentality can trample people's rights in the blink of an eye. If we can't find enough foreign terrorists to blame, we'll generate some American ones. Is there any lingering doubt as to how fragile justice can be?
"Mischief, thou are afoot. Take what course thou wilt" [Shakespeare - Julius Ceasar]
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 10/02/2001 : 11:00:31 [Permalink]
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Didn't we already see a good example of this right here on SFN? While this attitude depresses me it it only makes me want to fight harder. America has and should continue to allow dissent. Advertisers in their short sighted paranoia can pull such shows but we are all poorer.
If someone comes down the street handing out American flags it is not your duty to grab one and start waving. Everyone might break out spontaneously in a rousing God Bless America but it's not Un American to remain silent. Everyone on your block might go to church to pray and beseech God to kill the enemy but are you unpatriotic if you don't join in?
Growing up I always pictured the Soviet Union as a place where, if you said something that went against the official doctrine, you might find yourself arrested and silenced. No Bill Maher isn't in danger of arrest but the idea is the same.
I flip the channels and on CNN they have cute New American War graphics and every commentator is war this and war that despite the fact that the President clearly does not have the right to declare war and Congress has not indicated that they are thinking of declaring it any time soon and relinquishing some of their power.
499 channels of that 24/7 and people bitch about a half hour show because of a comment they obviously are too pathetically hypocritical to see the point of. It's sickening.
@tomic
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 10/02/2001 : 23:43:32 [Permalink]
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Advertisers in their short sighted paranoia can pull such shows but we are all poorer.
Slight correction @, the advertisers don't pull the shows they just take away their ads. If the station or show can get another company to pay for it, it would continue.
I agree we are the poorer BUT look at it from the company point of view. They have to be concerned about their customers and stockholders. They can't take a political stance and take a chance on loosing what they perceive as potencial business.
Yeah, yeah....you are going to tell me about Carl's Jr. or Domminos Pizza. I think that's a different situation, for one thing, and not an immediate controversy.
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499 channels of that 24/7 and people bitch about a half hour show because of a comment they obviously are too pathetically hypocritical to see the point of.
@tomic
499 channels????? Whooa!!! How do people find time to watch them ALL? I only get about 10 channels and don't have time to watch them, even when I tape something I have a back log of programs to see.
Amazzzing! 499!!!! When will it ever stop?
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2001 : 02:13:41 [Permalink]
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Ok, some of you don't like the show but here is what gets me: people call in to complain about a show they don't care for or watch. That pisses me off more than many things in the arsenal of things that piss @tomic off. What is the point of this? Yes people have a right to do this but in this instance I am extremely offended and personally consider people that would do such a thing to be cowards that can't stand open, public discussions. I think that this is indicative of America in general that is more interested in what rock star is shagging what other celebrity or wasting time praising God and singing hallelujah than dealing with real issues and being responsible citizens and hell even decent human beings in some cases. If I knew that some of these looked like I assure you there wouldn't be skid marks behind my car.
Ahhhh...I feel better 
@tomic
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ljbrs
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 10/04/2001 : 18:57:23 [Permalink]
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Evidently, Bill Maher is back with his program. I do not think he expected the sponsor reaction to what he said. They showed his *mistake* on Nightline late last night, and I thought that what he said (and, mostly, how he said it) sounded pretty dumb for somebody who wants to maintain sponsors, etc. So, Bill Maher is back. I usually turn it on, and, if the guests are interesting (to me, of course), I keep listening. Last night I needed sleep and had to turn it off, sadly. It looked as if it were going to be pretty good. He probably has new sponsors who thought differently from the old sponsors. Maybe he still has the same sponsors who probably felt that he was a money in the bank (and that he was humbled) and that they needed to rethink their decision(s).
ljbrs
*Nothing is more damaging to a new truth than an old error.* Goethe |
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