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BigPapaSmurf
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 Posted - 06/30/2005 : 11:31:37
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So after the election it was the hot topic to determine the new Iranian leader's stance towords the west...
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/06/30/iran.president/index.html
Former 1979 hostages say this guy was one of the captors.
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"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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filthy
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Posted - 06/30/2005 : 12:15:48 [Permalink]
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Indeed, and why am I appalled but not shocked?
Well, our knee-jerk, neo-con cretins wanted the ultra-conservative over the moderate and they got the fucker. Be careful what you wish for, eh.
Of course, it has yet to be confirmed that he actually was involved in the hostage incident.
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pleco
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Posted - 06/30/2005 : 12:29:59 [Permalink]
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| One way to help bolster a pre-emptive strike into Iran was to help elect a hardliner...and our recent foreign policies moves pretty much guarenteed that, right? |
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filthy
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Posted - 06/30/2005 : 12:43:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
One way to help bolster a pre-emptive strike into Iran was to help elect a hardliner...and our recent foreign policies moves pretty much guarenteed that, right?
Yeh. But where will we get the money, material, and most importantly, the warm bodies to invade Iran? Just tossing bombs won't get it done.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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and Crypto-Communist!
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pleco
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Posted - 06/30/2005 : 14:12:18 [Permalink]
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| Answer: A coalition of the willing! Ha! |
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filthy
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Posted - 06/30/2005 : 15:11:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
Answer: A coalition of the willing! Ha!
Yeh. Like Uzbekstan. 
I wonder if this tragedy of errors that passes for an Administration has the kumquats to reenstate the draft. I wonder if they are really that stupid.
Dunno. Mayhaps they are...
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Dude
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Posted - 06/30/2005 : 15:35:47 [Permalink]
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I wonder if this tragedy of errors that passes for an Administration has the kumquats to reenstate the draft. I wonder if they are really that stupid.
Dunno. Mayhaps they are...
They will drag us into a situation from which the only option to free ourselves will be fighting and winning. Then they can look up and say, well, we didn't intend for this to happen, but now we need the draft again.
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filthy
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Posted - 06/30/2005 : 20:20:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
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I wonder if this tragedy of errors that passes for an Administration has the kumquats to reenstate the draft. I wonder if they are really that stupid.
Dunno. Mayhaps they are...
They will drag us into a situation from which the only option to free ourselves will be fighting and winning. Then they can look up and say, well, we didn't intend for this to happen, but now we need the draft again.
I might be wrong, but I think that at this point a draft would spawn a resistance that would make the Vietman protests look like the White House Easter Egg Roll in the comparison, in any situation short of a formal invasion. I think that many if not all of those who won't admit it know that we have been well and truly fucked by the blantant lies of this government.
The persistant whispers of impeachment are becoming more audible....
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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and Crypto-Communist!
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pleco
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Posted - 06/30/2005 : 20:29:59 [Permalink]
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I think that at this point a draft would spawn a resistance that would make the Vietman protests look like the White House Easter Egg Roll in the comparison, in any situation short of a formal invasion
Couldn't agree more...that would be political suicide.
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The persistant whispers of impeachment are becoming more audible....
While it may be the correct thing to do, my feeling is that it won't happen - and if proceedings are actually started it will end up like the Clinton debacle. I think history will judge this administration quite accurately if you know what I mean... |
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Dude
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Posted - 06/30/2005 : 22:57:37 [Permalink]
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Never gonna be an impeachment of this pres, unless '06 elections turn out ALOT different than I expect. It would take a charge of way more house seats than is going to happen.
The republicans have been going around changing district lines (can't seem to recall the correct term for it, redistricting?) to ensure that they hold the majority for as long as possible.
I'm sure you recall the TX thing with members of their state legislature leaving the state?
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Boron10
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Posted - 06/30/2005 : 23:49:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by DudeThe republicans have been going around changing district lines (can't seem to recall the correct term for it, redistricting?) to ensure that they hold the majority for as long as possible.
The term you're thinking of is Gerrymandering. |
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filthy
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Posted - 07/01/2005 : 02:38:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Never gonna be an impeachment of this pres, unless '06 elections turn out ALOT different than I expect. It would take a charge of way more house seats than is going to happen.
The republicans have been going around changing district lines (can't seem to recall the correct term for it, redistricting?) to ensure that they hold the majority for as long as possible.
I'm sure you recall the TX thing with members of their state legislature leaving the state?
I too, would be suprised if it happened, but I'm beginning to see quite a bit of this sort of thing.
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Impeachment Question Shows Bitterness of Divide
In a sign of the continuing partisan division of the nation, more than two-in-five (42%) voters say that, if it is found that President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should hold him accountable through impeachment. While half (50%) of respondents do not hold this view, supporters of impeachment outweigh opponents in some parts of the country.
Among those living in the Western states, a 52% majority favors Congress using the impeachment mechanism while just 41% are opposed; in Eastern states, 49% are in favor and 45% opposed. In the South, meanwhile, impeachment is opposed by three-in-five voters (60%) and supported by just one-in-three (34%); in the Central/Great Lakes region, 52% are opposed and 38% in favor.
Impeachment is overwhelmingly rejected in the Red States—just 36% say they agree Congress should use it if the President is found to have lied on Iraq, while 55% reject this view; in the “Blue States” that voted for Massachusetts Democrat John Kerry in 2004, meanwhile, a plurality of 48% favors such proceedings while 45% are opposed.
A large majority of Democrats (59%) say they agree that the President should be impeached if he lied about Iraq, while just three-in-ten (30%) disagree. Among President Bush's fellow Republicans, a full one-in-four (25%) indicate they would favor impeaching the President under these circumstances, while seven-in-ten (70%) do not. Independents are more closely divided, with 43% favoring impeachment and 49% opposed.
I think that we are experiencing an unprecedented political situation in this country. I think that at this point, all bets are off and it just might come to pass that all of the gerrymandering that DeLay, et al, did could have a smaller effect than previously thought. Especally if Bush tries to attack Iran. Or attempts to get a military draft going toward that end. You'd think he'd be smart enough to see that, but this admin does so many stupid things....
I dunno. I make no predictions on the '06 elections. It again depends on turnout, traditionally low(er) in the off-years.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Dude
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Posted - 07/01/2005 : 06:22:12 [Permalink]
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It again depends on turnout, traditionally low(er) in the off-years.
Turnout being the reason I expect the republicans to win big, as they have the insane fundamentalist vote machine with polls at the "mega-churches" and bus fleets to get their delusional masses to the polls.
Where as the apathetic moderates in the US won't have time to get away from their oh-so-busy schedules and vote for mere senate/house seats.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 07/01/2005 : 06:42:56 [Permalink]
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...in his best W. voice.
The only way to win the war in Iran is to invade North Korea. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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pleco
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Posted - 07/01/2005 : 06:43:47 [Permalink]
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I see that Iran and America share some common traits:
1) Both elected an ultra-conservative executive
2) Many citizens in both countries think the election was "rigged"
3) About half of the citizens in both countries are for "reform" and the other half are conservative.
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