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http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=274

But I don't think you couldn't verify if the universe is infinite or not. Astronomy at the moment uses various types of light to make observations. We can only observe what we see. So say we shot a beam of light out and waited for it to bounce back off the edge of the universe. If it was infinite, it'd never come back, but we'd never know. It could just be insanely huge. I don't think this is something you can actually show.

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How does an infinite Universe fit with the Big Bang theory? I understand space is expanding, but I don't see why that would indicate an infinite Universe, especially one we know had a definite beginning.

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Big bang? Another unprovable theory, which I don't fancy either. Not jugding you for what you think though, so you won't think I a trying to be a certain way.

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Thankfully, your fancying or not fancying something makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in what nature does. Woo.

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Originally posted by filthy

Ah but "Shorty," I do know you. I've met you a hundred times on these and other fora. I've met you a thousand times in the course of my life and travels. I've listened to you hurl baseless accusations in the media and pontificate upon nonsense in the halls of Congress. Rush Limbaugh speaks with your voice. I know you quite well, thank you.

Dude, I would appreciate it if you would not put my mind, and countless other independant minds into one mind, because that is stupid. Guess what, I am not everyone else, and everyone else is not me. Just trying to generalize me into someone else you have talked just shows how finite your thinking is. You have never meet me and YOU DON"T KNOW ME!


But, let us try again, just for the hell of it: precisely what portions of the theory of evolutions do you object to and why?

I have stated some, deal with those first, and then come back!

Please try to avoid the temptation to reference new age and religious sites. They are merely more unsupported blather. Just spit it out in your own words.

Really I can post whatever I want, but I know what is relevant, and what is not, do not question me on this please.

Again, I reccommend the Logical Fallicies link.

Please quit referring this to me. I don't need this to explain my thoughts or my mode of thinking. I do know how to this correctly, but it will not be exactly to your standards.

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Originally posted by Kil

Well, I keep hoping the other shoe will fall and we will get into the new world order conspiracy that Hybrid has been dancing around. You know, shape shifting alien lizards and such (actually running the show.) Perhaps some alerts about the few people who sometimes meet as the Bilderberg group to set world policy and all of that kind of stuff. I'm not really sure to which version Hybrid subscribes, but I can almost guarantee that he believes we are living under the thumb of one evil new world order conspiracy or another…

I'm putting my money on alien lizards…

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Originally posted by Kil

Well, I keep hoping the other shoe will fall and we will get into the new world order conspiracy that Hybrid has been dancing around. You know, shape shifting alien lizards and such (actually running the show.) Perhaps some alerts about the few people who sometimes meet as the Bilderberg group to set world policy and all of that kind of stuff. I'm not really sure to which version Hybrid subscribes, but I can almost guarantee that he believes we are living under the thumb of one evil new world order conspiracy or another…

I'm putting my money on alien lizards…

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So the nwo does not exist then? Globalization is not possible then, right? I guess your not a david icke fan huh?

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Originally posted by filthy

Ah but "Shorty," I do know you. I've met you a hundred times on these and other fora. I've met you a thousand times in the course of my life and travels. I've listened to you hurl baseless accusations in the media and pontificate upon nonsense in the halls of Congress. Rush Limbaugh speaks with your voice. I know you quite well, thank you.

Dude, I would appreciate it if you would not put my mind, and countless other independant minds into one mind, because that is stupid. Guess what, I am not everyone else, and everyone else is not me. Just trying to generalize me into someone else you have talked just shows how finite your thinking is. You have never meet me and YOU DON"T KNOW ME!


But, let us try again, just for the hell of it: precisely what portions of the theory of evolutions do you object to and why?

I have stated some, deal with those first, and then come back!

Please try to avoid the temptation to reference new age and religious sites. They are merely more unsupported blather. Just spit it out in your own words.

Really I can post whatever I want, but I know what is relevant, and what is not, do not question me on this please.

Again, I reccommend the Logical Fallicies link.

Please quit referring this to me. I don't need this to explain my thoughts or my mode of thinking. I do know how to this correctly, but it will not be exactly to your standards.

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Originally posted by filthy

Just some stray thoughts: I would love to disprove the theory of Evolution. My fortune would be made and my fame in scientific circles would be immense. I would win a Nobel Prize (the committie would humbly bring the award to my door) and a tenured position at any university in the country. Hell, I'd probably be offered the chair in the department of my choice. I'd bore a myraid of audiences to distraction in the lecture halls.

All I'd have to do is find the Devonian Bunny. The Cambrian Croc would do as well.

But hey, that lagomorph, nor any other mammal, didn't exist in the Devonian and there were no reptiles in the Cambrian, and I'm not knowledgable enough to track them through genetics. So, I guess I'm SOL for the Nobel.

Ya see, the greatest prize in science is there for the taking. Many reach for it, but their arms aren't long enough to overcome the overwhelming evidence in the theory's favor.

A scientific theory is not the same as, say, a newsman's theory. All theories start with a conjecture. Then the scientist looks for empirical support for that thought. Should he find enough, the conjecture becomes an hypothesis. At this point, it gets interesting as more evidence, pro and con, is brought forth. If enough peer-reviewed support is garnered, and it takes a lot, the hypothesis finally becomes a theory, and there it remains forever. There are no proofs in science (except in maths and whiskey) because there is always the chance that the theory must change due to new evidence.

I do not believe in the Theory of Evolution. I have no faith in it. I merely accept it as the best explanation for certain biological process' discovered thus far. Find me that Devonian Bunny and verify it, and I will toss the ToE without a second thought.

I don't see that happening soon, regardless of the oratory spouted by it's detractors. Until they come up with something other than wind, the ToE is safe and solid.

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Originally posted by filthy

Just some stray thoughts: I would love to disprove the theory of Evolution. My fortune would be made and my fame in scientific circles would be immense. I would win a Nobel Prize (the committie would humbly bring the award to my door) and a tenured position at any university in the country. Hell, I'd probably be offered the chair in the department of my choice. I'd bore a myraid of audiences to distraction in the lecture halls.

All I'd have to do is find the Devonian Bunny. The Cambrian Croc would do as well.

But hey, that lagomorph, nor any other mammal, didn't exist in the Devonian and there were no reptiles in the Cambrian, and I'm not knowledgable enough to track them through genetics. So, I guess I'm SOL for the Nobel.

Ya see, the greatest prize in science is there for the taking. Many reach for it, but their arms aren't long enough to overcome the overwhelming evidence in the theory's favor.

A scientific theory is not the same as, say, a newsman's theory. All theories start with a conjecture. Then the scientist looks for empirical support for that thought. Should he find enough, the conjecture becomes an hypothesis. At this point, it gets interesting as more evidence, pro and con, is brought forth. If enough peer-reviewed support is garnered, and it takes a lot, the hypothesis finally becomes a theory, and there it remains forever. There are no proofs in science (except in maths and whiskey) because there is always the chance that the theory must change due to new evidence.

I do not believe in the Theory of Evolution. I have no faith in it. I merely accept it as the best explanation for certain biological process' discovered thus far. Find me that Devonian Bunny and verify it, and I will toss the ToE without a second thought.

I don't see that happening soon, regardless of the oratory spouted by it's detractors. Until they come up with something other than wind, the ToE is safe and solid.

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You can't, it has already been done by so many people, academics mostly, but I know, you would not accept it anyway. The theory of evolution has been broken done by so many. The info is out there, you just have to look. And I don't mean for 20 minutes, I mean spend some time on it. But then you have to have an open mind, and you will have to sit back and do some serious thinking and ask yourself alot of questions.

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You can't, it has already been done by so many people, academics mostly, but I know, you would not accept it anyway. The theory of evolution has been broken done by so many. The info is out there, you just have to look. And I don't mean for 20 minutes, I mean spend some time on it. But then you have to have an open mind, and you will have to sit back and do some serious thinking and ask yourself alot of questions.

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Originally posted by HYBRID

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Originally posted by filthy

Just some stray thoughts: I would love to disprove the theory of Evolution. My fortune would be made and my fame in scientific circles would be immense. I would win a Nobel Prize (the committie would humbly bring the award to my door) and a tenured position at any university in the country. Hell, I'd probably be offered the chair in the department of my choice. I'd bore a myraid of audiences to distraction in the lecture halls.

All I'd have to do is find the Devonian Bunny. The Cambrian Croc would do as well.

But hey, that lagomorph, nor any other mammal, didn't exist in the Devonian and there were no reptiles in the Cambrian, and I'm not knowledgable enough to track them through genetics. So, I guess I'm SOL for the Nobel.

Ya see, the greatest prize in science is there for the taking. Many reach for it, but their arms aren't long enough to overcome the overwhelming evidence in the theory's favor.

A scientific theory is not the same as, say, a newsman's theory. All theories start with a conjecture. Then the scientist looks for empirical support for that thought. Should he find enough, the conjecture becomes an hypothesis. At this point, it gets interesting as more evidence, pro and con, is brought forth. If enough peer-reviewed support is garnered, and it takes a lot, the hypothesis finally becomes a theory, and there it remains forever. There are no proofs in science (except in maths and whiskey) because there is always the chance that the theory must change due to new evidence.

I do not believe in the Theory of Evolution. I have no faith in it. I merely accept it as the best explanation for certain biological process' discovered thus far. Find me that Devonian Bunny and verify it, and I will toss the ToE without a second thought.

I don't see that happening soon, regardless of the oratory spouted by it's detractors. Until they come up with something other than wind, the ToE is safe and solid.

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You can't, it has already been done by so many people, academics mostly, but I know, you would not accept it anyway. The theory of evolution has been broken done by so many. The info is out there, you just have to look. And I don't mean for 20 minutes, I mean spend some time on it. But then you have to have an open mind, and you will have to sit back and do some serious thinking and ask yourself alot of questions.

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Yet more bullshit?

What academics? What are their names and their qualifacations? What are their fields of research? Where have they published in peer-reviewed journals and upon what aspect of the ToE?

I think it's about time you put some substance into your claims. Thus far, you have shown exaclty none.

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Originally posted by HYBRID

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Originally posted by Kil

Well, I keep hoping the other shoe will fall and we will get into the new world order conspiracy that Hybrid has been dancing around. You know, shape shifting alien lizards and such (actually running the show.) Perhaps some alerts about the few people who sometimes meet as the Bilderberg group to set world policy and all of that kind of stuff. I'm not really sure to which version Hybrid subscribes, but I can almost guarantee that he believes we are living under the thumb of one evil new world order conspiracy or another…

I'm putting my money on alien lizards…

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So the nwo does not exist then? Globalization is not possible then, right? I guess your not a david icke fan huh?

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Only for entertainment value. Are you?

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Originally posted by filthy

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Originally posted by HYBRID

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Originally posted by filthy

Just some stray thoughts: I would love to disprove the theory of Evolution. My fortune would be made and my fame in scientific circles would be immense. I would win a Nobel Prize (the committie would humbly bring the award to my door) and a tenured position at any university in the country. Hell, I'd probably be offered the chair in the department of my choice. I'd bore a myraid of audiences to distraction in the lecture halls.

All I'd have to do is find the Devonian Bunny. The Cambrian Croc would do as well.

But hey, that lagomorph, nor any other mammal, didn't exist in the Devonian and there were no reptiles in the Cambrian, and I'm not knowledgable enough to track them through genetics. So, I guess I'm SOL for the Nobel.

Ya see, the greatest prize in science is there for the taking. Many reach for it, but their arms aren't long enough to overcome the overwhelming evidence in the theory's favor.

A scientific theory is not the same as, say, a newsman's theory. All theories start with a conjecture. Then the scientist looks for empirical support for that thought. Should he find enough, the conjecture becomes an hypothesis. At this point, it gets interesting as more evidence, pro and con, is brought forth. If enough peer-reviewed support is garnered, and it takes a lot, the hypothesis finally becomes a theory, and there it remains forever. There are no proofs in science (except in maths and whiskey) because there is always the chance that the theory must change due to new evidence.

I do not believe in the Theory of Evolution. I have no faith in it. I merely accept it as the best explanation for certain biological process' discovered thus far. Find me that Devonian Bunny and verify it, and I will toss the ToE without a second thought.

I don't see that happening soon, regardless of the oratory spouted by it's detractors. Until they come up with something other than wind, the ToE is safe and solid.

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You can't, it has already been done by so many people, academics mostly, but I know, you would not accept it anyway. The theory of evolution has been broken done by so many. The info is out there, you just have to look. And I don't mean for 20 minutes, I mean spend some time on it. But then you have to have an open mind, and you will have to sit back and do some serious thinking and ask yourself alot of questions.

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Yet more bullshit?

What academics? What are their names and their qualifacations? What are their fields of research? Where have they published in peer-reviewed journals and upon what aspect of the ToE?

I think it's about time you put some substance into your claims. Thus far, you have shown exaclty none.

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SO many. Go to google. There are many. Dr. Author David Horn, Dr. Richard Boulay, Michael Cremo Anthropologist, among some others. Finding them is not hard. Bullshit! You need to calm the fuck down! Your saying shit out of supidity and anger or frustration. You need to start respecting me more.

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