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I have taken courses in which we researched some very powerful mystery schools, their beliefs and some of their symbols. One of these mystery schools that existed as far back as 3000 b.c., used the same symbols as THIS branch of the illuminati, Bavarian.
Again, I'm sorry I haven't been able to keep up with this discussion as well as I'd usually do. However, could you elaborate some on the "as far back as 3000 b.c." thing? What can you trace back that far?
Mystery schools go as far back as civilization. We merely traced it back to around 3200 b.c. or so.Just because you don't know of it, does not make its existence cease.
As Cuneiformist translates cuneform writing as a profession, his question stems from written communication not going back that far. He isn't suggesting that it doesn't exist. He is asking how you can trace something back that pre-dates writing with any sort of accuracy. |
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Posted - 07/14/2005 : 11:39:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HYBRID
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Originally posted by HYBRID
I have taken courses in which we researched some very powerful mystery schools, their beliefs and some of their symbols. One of these mystery schools that existed as far back as 3000 b.c., used the same symbols as THIS branch of the illuminati, Bavarian.
Again, I'm sorry I haven't been able to keep up with this discussion as well as I'd usually do. However, could you elaborate some on the "as far back as 3000 b.c." thing? What can you trace back that far?
Mystery schools go as far back as civilization. We merely traced it back to around 3200 b.c. or so.Just because you don't know of it, does not make its existence cease.
As Cuneiformist translates cuneform writing as a profession, his question stems from written communication not going back that far. He isn't suggesting that it doesn't exist. He is asking how you can trace something back that pre-dates writing with any sort of accuracy.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 07/14/2005 : 11:39:43 [Permalink]
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I also learned that some of the most famous people in ancient times until today were apart of a secret society that studied these "mysteries". Aristotle, Socrates, Plato, Alexander the Great, Constantine the Great, Vlad the Impaler, Aristocracy from all over the world, world leaders etc.Same symbols, same knowlegde stream.
Source, please. |
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Posted - 07/14/2005 : 11:42:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by HYBRID
I have taken courses in which we researched some very powerful mystery schools, their beliefs and some of their symbols. One of these mystery schools that existed as far back as 3000 b.c., used the same symbols as THIS branch of the illuminati, Bavarian.
Again, I'm sorry I haven't been able to keep up with this discussion as well as I'd usually do. However, could you elaborate some on the "as far back as 3000 b.c." thing? What can you trace back that far?
Ask Indiana University, don't ask me.
Mystery schools go as far back as civilization. We merely traced it back to around 3200 b.c. or so.Just because you don't know of it, does not make its existence cease.
As Cuneiformist translates cuneform writing as a profession, his question stems from written communication not going back that far. He isn't suggesting that it doesn't exist. He is asking how you can trace something back that pre-dates writing with any sort of accuracy.
Arguementum ad verecundium.
You have brought forth the claim. It is up to you to defend it. Telling us to ask a nebulous third party is logically invalid. |
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Posted - 07/14/2005 : 11:48:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HYBRID
I also learned that some of the most famous people in ancient times until today were apart of a secret society that studied these "mysteries". Aristotle, Socrates, Plato, Alexander the Great, Constantine the Great, Vlad the Impaler, Aristocracy from all over the world, world leaders etc.Same symbols, same knowlegde stream.
Source, please.
Indiana University Mostly. Half of these people publicly acknowlegde this. The History Channel (On Vlad and Alexander the Great, the reason I said this is because people seem to relate to this. Not to mention these documentaries sometimes have people with letters behind their names, which you require so much. Not saying they are 100% right, but like I said before, if we are going to totally ignore these professionals on my end, who is to say they should be totally reliable on your behalf).Again, these things are NOT hard to find out. |
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Posted - 07/14/2005 : 11:50:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by HYBRID
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Originally posted by HYBRID
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Originally posted by HYBRID
I have taken courses in which we researched some very powerful mystery schools, their beliefs and some of their symbols. One of these mystery schools that existed as far back as 3000 b.c., used the same symbols as THIS branch of the illuminati, Bavarian.
Again, I'm sorry I haven't been able to keep up with this discussion as well as I'd usually do. However, could you elaborate some on the "as far back as 3000 b.c." thing? What can you trace back that far?
Ask Indiana University, don't ask me.
Mystery schools go as far back as civilization. We merely traced it back to around 3200 b.c. or so.Just because you don't know of it, does not make its existence cease.
As Cuneiformist translates cuneform writing as a profession, his question stems from written communication not going back that far. He isn't suggesting that it doesn't exist. He is asking how you can trace something back that pre-dates writing with any sort of accuracy.
Arguementum ad verecundium.
You have brought forth the claim. It is up to you to defend it. Telling us to ask a nebulous third party is logically invalid.
I don't have to. The classes I took are good enought for me. And like I said, you don't have to conform to anything I say, just think about it, my whole purpose.Would you like to take the classes I took? Cost you about $700 bucks or so?This is the only way yu will get this info in its entirety. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 07/14/2005 : 11:56:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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I also learned that some of the most famous people in ancient times until today were apart of a secret society that studied these "mysteries". Aristotle, Socrates, Plato, Alexander the Great, Constantine the Great, Vlad the Impaler, Aristocracy from all over the world, world leaders etc.Same symbols, same knowlegde stream.
Source, please.
Indiana University Mostly. Half of these people publicly acknowlegde this. The History Channel (On Vlad and Alexander the Great, the reason I said this is because people seem to relate to this. Not to mention these documentaries sometimes have people with letters behind their names, which you require so much. Not saying they are 100% right, but like I said before, if we are going to totally ignore these professionals on my end, who is to say they should be totally reliable on your behalf).Again, these things are NOT hard to find out.
An organization comprised of several different expertices is not a valid source cite. Nor is the nebulous "History Channel" cite. Do you have the name of the program? How about the names of the professors? Name of the class, even? From the name of the class, we can find out who teaches it and ask them directly. |
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Posted - 07/14/2005 : 11:58:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by HYBRID
I have taken courses in which we researched some very powerful mystery schools, their beliefs and some of their symbols. One of these mystery schools that existed as far back as 3000 b.c., used the same symbols as THIS branch of the illuminati, Bavarian.
Again, I'm sorry I haven't been able to keep up with this discussion as well as I'd usually do. However, could you elaborate some on the "as far back as 3000 b.c." thing? What can you trace back that far?
Ask Indiana University, don't ask me.
Mystery schools go as far back as civilization. We merely traced it back to around 3200 b.c. or so.Just because you don't know of it, does not make its existence cease.
As Cuneiformist translates cuneform writing as a profession, his question stems from written communication not going back that far. He isn't suggesting that it doesn't exist. He is asking how you can trace something back that pre-dates writing with any sort of accuracy.
Arguementum ad verecundium.
You have brought forth the claim. It is up to you to defend it. Telling us to ask a nebulous third party is logically invalid.
I don't have to. The classes I took are good enought for me. And like I said, you don't have to conform to anything I say, just think about it, my whole purpose.Would you like to take the classes I took? Cost you about $700 bucks or so?This is the only way yu will get this info in its entirety.
Non-responsive.
This website might let you know what it is we are objecting to.
http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm
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Posted - 07/14/2005 : 12:02:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by HYBRID
I have taken courses in which we researched some very powerful mystery schools, their beliefs and some of their symbols. One of these mystery schools that existed as far back as 3000 b.c., used the same symbols as THIS branch of the illuminati, Bavarian.
Again, I'm sorry I haven't been able to keep up with this discussion as well as I'd usually do. However, could you elaborate some on the "as far back as 3000 b.c." thing? What can you trace back that far?
Ask Indiana University, don't ask me.
Mystery schools go as far back as civilization. We merely traced it back to around 3200 b.c. or so.Just because you don't know of it, does not make its existence cease.
As Cuneiformist translates cuneform writing as a profession, his question stems from written communication not going back that far. He isn't suggesting that it doesn't exist. He is asking how you can trace something back that pre-dates writing with any sort of accuracy.
Arguementum ad verecundium.
You have brought forth the claim. It is up to you to defend it. Telling us to ask a nebulous third party is logically invalid.
I don't have to. The classes I took are good enought for me. And like I said, you don't have to conform to anything I say, just think about it, my whole purpose.Would you like to take the classes I took? Cost you about $700 bucks or so?This is the only way yu will get this info in its entirety.
Non-responsive.
This website might let you know what it is we are objecting to.
http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm
Whenever you have a website you whip out to govern how you think, no matter what you say that is exactly what it is, you will block out usefull info with the bad. Do not pull this up again please. I have read it, and it has some good points.But, I do not agree with it totally, and if you would have paid attention, I said why along time ago, whether you caught it or not. |
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Posted - 07/14/2005 : 12:06:55 [Permalink]
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Non-responsive.
This website might let you know what it is we are objecting to.
http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm
Whenever you have a website you whip out to govern how you think, no matter what you say that is exactly what it is, you will block out usefull info with the bad. Do not pull this up again please. I have read it, and it has some good points.But, I do not agree with it totally, and if you would have paid attention, I said why along time ago, whether you caught it or not.
Since you refuse to adhere to the rules of logic, further discourse with you is pointless.
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Posted - 07/14/2005 : 12:19:42 [Permalink]
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I also learned that some of the most famous people in ancient times until today were apart of a secret society that studied these "mysteries". Aristotle, Socrates, Plato, Alexander the Great, Constantine the Great, Vlad the Impaler, Aristocracy from all over the world, world leaders etc.Same symbols, same knowlegde stream.
Source, please.
Indiana University Mostly. Half of these people publicly acknowlegde this. The History Channel (On Vlad and Alexander the Great, the reason I said this is because people seem to relate to this. Not to mention these documentaries sometimes have people with letters behind their names, which you require so much. Not saying they are 100% right, but like I said before, if we are going to totally ignore these professionals on my end, who is to say they should be totally reliable on your behalf).Again, these things are NOT hard to find out.
An organization comprised of several different expertices is not a valid source cite. Nor is the nebulous "History Channel" cite. Do you have the name of the program? How about the names of the professors? Name of the class, even? From the name of the class, we can find out who teaches it and ask them directly.
Oh, so now its just an organization. Not like it was structured or anything, just some old guys and gals philosophizing over a brandy. Not like it was not like I got anything for going. Thousands of dollars gone bye-bye. The History channel doc was on the real count dracula, and where bram sotker got his ideas for the movie.Are you serious?You are goiong to try and get a hold of my professors?Boy you've got it bad.You are pretty much trying to call me a liar, and or a deliberate misinterpreter.You have got some seriou issues.I am pretty positive they have better things to do than answer questions coming from a place like this. I am not even sure that you could even get a hold of them. It is the summer, their vacation, let it rest for god's sake. Damn!Here are SOME of the course I took, Sacred Religious Places, Religions of the East, World History, Plato to Nato, World Anthroplogy, Social Anthropology, Pre-History and Human Origins and Evolution, World History and Civilizations, World History from 1000a.d to 1500, World History 1500 until 1800, World Religion, Cultural Anthropology, Sociology, Psychology, Psychology as a Major, Archaeology, Intro to Archaeology, and this is not including general studies, and major changes. Ancient History WAS my major at first. |
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Posted - 07/14/2005 : 12:53:46 [Permalink]
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Non-responsive.
This website might let you know what it is we are objecting to.
http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm
Whenever you have a website you whip out to govern how you think, no matter what you say that is exactly what it is, you will block out usefull info with the bad. Do not pull this up again please. I have read it, and it has some good points.But, I do not agree with it totally, and if you would have paid attention, I said why along time ago, whether you caught it or not.
Since you refuse to adhere to the rules of logic, further discourse with you is pointless.
OK, everyone. Don't feed the troll.
Abandoning ship huh? That is really sad. All of you, and not one of you can do what you say you can, or your entire purpose is. I was trying to provoke thought, and according to the thousands of views I have generated in the few days I have been here, I have done just that. I have proved a very strong point to myself, and to all of your unconscious minds whether you know it or not, now, or later is irrelevant. It is so easy to breakdown certain things that we think is or without a doubt true, because we create our own reality, unless forced to do otherwise physically.
The troll you speak of is really your inner anger, your ego, your pride, your I know everything attitude and hatred towards for what you think is wrong to think or believe, even if it imposes indoctrination towards others.What you might think in life are certain facts, may not be in reality, but only because we make them in our own minds due to psychological mechanisms which protect us from fear, the unknown, to help make life predictable, easy and influences us toward the more known, and ultimately band together in groups of social and psychological comfort. I bid you farewell. I may be back to pick oepn some brains another day. |
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Posted - 07/14/2005 : 16:50:39 [Permalink]
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Yes, that is interesting because the heads of the christian church ARE illuminati. They use the same symbols etc.
To which particular Christian sect do you refer?
I dislike pushing, but which university was it where you studied and which course of study did you engage in?
DO you people pay attention. I Am in no religion. They are all prisons of the heart and mind.
Indiana State University, Indiana University, Indiana University Perdue University in Indianapolis. I have moved around a lot the last few years. Specifically Archaeology, but I have studied alot of History, religions, and psychology.
I asked which particular sect of christianity you are referring to when you state the 'heads of the christian church ARE illuminati'. Which christian sect contains the 'heads of the illuminati'? I did not ask to which religious sect you belong. |
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Posted - 07/14/2005 : 16:52:42 [Permalink]
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In a previous post in this thread he said he attended Indiana University in Bloomington. What I would ask is which one of the History majors he was persuing.
History
History of Art
History, Philosophy, and Comparative Education
History & Philosophy of Science
All of these are offered at his Alma Matter.
http://www.iub.edu/
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...no one has ever found a 4.5 billion year old stone artifact (at the right geological stratum) with the words "Made by God."
No Sense of Obligation by Matt Young
"Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying and vile!"
Mother Night by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
They (Women Marines) don't have a nickname, and they don't need one. They get their basic training in a Marine atmosphere, at a Marine Post. They inherit the traditions of the Marines. They are Marines.
LtGen Thomas Holcomb, USMC
Commandant of the Marine Corps, 1943
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Posted - 07/14/2005 : 17:29:18 [Permalink]
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Mystery schools go as far back as civilization. We merely traced it back to around 3200 b.c. or so.Just because you don't know of it, does not make its existence cease.
Woah-- I never said that such things didn't exist! I am just unfamiliar with "mystery schools" and since my own college studies include things like ancient history and such, I was wondering if you could help me out.
Perhaps, since this thread seems to be too quiet for you, you could take a few minutes and explain what these "mystery schools" are! I'd really appreciate it. |
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