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Siberia
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Posted - 07/31/2005 :  06:28:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
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Originally posted by skepticality

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But back to the thread: I'd like to see how well the kid does with the volume at zero and the controller vibration disabled.


Or just turn on some music and talk a lot when you play him...

I'm kind of confused though, unless the video game is in true surround sound, or something, how is there any spacial feedback?



Mortal Kombat doesn't have need for spacial feedback. One can't go, say, deeper into the game area. It's only back and forth (left and right, I think).

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Ricky
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Posted - 07/31/2005 :  06:41:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
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Originally posted by Siberia

quote:
Originally posted by skepticality

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But back to the thread: I'd like to see how well the kid does with the volume at zero and the controller vibration disabled.


Or just turn on some music and talk a lot when you play him...

I'm kind of confused though, unless the video game is in true surround sound, or something, how is there any spacial feedback?



Mortal Kombat doesn't have need for spacial feedback. One can't go, say, deeper into the game area. It's only back and forth (left and right, I think).



Well, that is only true in Mortal Kombat, Mortal Kombat II, and Mortal Kombat 3. There are newer ones which are completely 3D.

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Siberia
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Posted - 07/31/2005 :  06:52:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
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Originally posted by Ricky

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Originally posted by Siberia

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Originally posted by skepticality

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But back to the thread: I'd like to see how well the kid does with the volume at zero and the controller vibration disabled.


Or just turn on some music and talk a lot when you play him...

I'm kind of confused though, unless the video game is in true surround sound, or something, how is there any spacial feedback?



Mortal Kombat doesn't have need for spacial feedback. One can't go, say, deeper into the game area. It's only back and forth (left and right, I think).



Well, that is only true in Mortal Kombat, Mortal Kombat II, and Mortal Kombat 3. There are newer ones which are completely 3D.


Ahh, ok. I stand corrected.

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AKM
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Posted - 07/31/2005 :  14:55:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send AKM a Private Message
Well, as stated in the article from the opening post:
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Blind since birth when his optic nerve didn't connect because of Leber's disease, Mellen honed his video game skills over the years through patient and not-so-patient playing, memorizing key joystick operations and moves in certain games, asking lots of questions and paying particular attention to audio cues. He worked his way up from games such as "Space Invaders" and "Asteroid," onto the modern combat games.

So thats how he does it.
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The thing about mortal combat is that you are always facing your opponent, whether you want to or not.

I wonder how well he would do against a game like Unreal Tournament? In that one there is no one-on-one combat but several different opponents that attack at random depending on your location to them.

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What no one has yet touched upon, and I was hoping that someone more knowledgable than I (plenty of those around) would, is the compensations that the mind is capable of in making up for such a huge disadvantage.

I tried something like this in high school once. It was in a social studies class in which we were blindfolded and had to navigate the room counting paces from one location to the other. Also walking towards the voice of another student and "locating" them while trying to navigate by counting paces. It was pretty interesting, the whole idea of course was to show how other senses have to take over in dealing with ones surroundings when blind.

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Hawks
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Posted - 07/31/2005 :  19:42:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Hawks's Homepage Send Hawks a Private Message
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If I remember right, the pianist was blind as well. All he had to do was hear a piece played once, and he'd be able to play it himself.


I don't think you have to have lost one of your senses for this to be possible. Mozart was supposed to be able to do the same thing (Well, he did in "Amadeus" anyway. Great movie that).

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filthy
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Posted - 07/31/2005 :  20:16:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
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Originally posted by Hawks

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If I remember right, the pianist was blind as well. All he had to do was hear a piece played once, and he'd be able to play it himself.


I don't think you have to have lost one of your senses for this to be possible. Mozart was supposed to be able to do the same thing (Well, he did in "Amadeus" anyway. Great movie that).

True enough except that this guy could scarcly feed himself. Like most if not all idiot savants, he could do one thing superbly, but little else. Further, he could not compose music and had no chops; no inovation. But he would reproduce the piece he heard all but perfectly.

I think that as music is, at it's core, based on simple math, he is not so different from the savants that can instantainously do calender calculations. The really remarkable part is translating it and the mechanics of learning the piano in order to reproduce it.

I think PBS had a show on the topic some years ago and he was on it, according to my daughter, who saw it (I was on the road at the time).

Music has long been a refuge for the sightless. Ray Charles, Blind Willie McTell, Doc Watson, Blind Lemon Jefferson among many others, for example. But these people are far from retarded and can be compared to our pinball wizard, who I suspect is highly inovative.

What strange mental process' can cause a person to produce such a talent, some with determination and hard work, and others simply, well, do it?


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Siberia
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Posted - 08/01/2005 :  05:20:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
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Originally posted by filthy

[quote]What strange mental process' can cause a person to produce such a talent, some with determination and hard work, and others simply, well, do it?


I can't even dress myself, but I used to do horse sculptures in clay, some who'd fit my little finger (and my hands are quite small). I tried to make them as physically realistic as possible. I do that since I was like, 5.

It's funny that people with arthritis sometimes come out as great sculptors even with deformed hands (mine aren't deformed, but then again I'm not great). I saw once a guy, with arthritis, who could sculpt detailed things in a matchstick.

Why? I've no idea.

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