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I'm agreein' with you, v. Some people should not be allowed free will.
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I wanna see some Macro Evolution in action, not pirctures drawn by man, but some concrete proof instead of story telling to the max...
All you have to do is look around. I'm not actually surprised you deny the evidence written into God's own creation. After all, it was established long ago that your hypocrisy overwhelms your ability to use the brain that God gave you.
Actually, I suspect the verlch objects to the ability of the brain that his God gave him. That is why denying the hard work, cumulative knowledge, of others comes so easily to him. Honest inquiry is beyond him, least he burn in Hell for having used his brain. Can't take that chance with his God.
Thats humanist thinking. This is silly reasoning.
No it is just thinking, and a reasonable evaluation of your approach to any assertion based upon your posts. You deny the knowledge gained from hard work of others because you consider in contrary to what you believe is the revealed word of your God. You believe this word unquestioningly. Why is that? Because you can't take any chances with your God.
If the enslavement of your thinking based upon your God beliefs makes you happy, so be it. But in this forum you should expect people to use, what you believe your God gave us, for the honest evaluation of any assertion based upon its merits. Your assertions are without merit since your God failed to leave any evidence. |
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Originally posted by Starman
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Originally posted by filthy
I'm agreein' with you, v. Some people should not be allowed free will.
The big problem is that those who give up their free will usually give it to the wrong people.
A small correction, Star; they always give it up to the wrong people, volentarily or otherwise. The right people have no wish to subjugate others. It is this group quote:
Hitler killed six million +; Stalin killed seven million + of his own people by intentionally starving them, and so forth. How many have been killed in various crusades, inqusitions, purges, Biblical genocides, and home-brewed witch lynchings?
who should not be allowed free will. A pity they can't be sorted out before they succumb to chronic assholitis.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 07:08:20 [Permalink]
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Here is my core beliefs.
1. Bible says don't steal.
2. If you steal there is punishment.
George W Bush has stolen a lot of things, yet he has yet to receive punishment.
1. Stole the 2000 and the 2004 election.
2. Stole American soldier's life by sending them to make an illegal invasion of a sovereign country.
3. Stole money from the American people by taking tax-money to fund his ordered murders in Iraq.
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3. If you steal you will get stolen from more than you stole
4. I stole and I can testify in court that it is true. I got plenty of things stolen from me!!!
That's because you got caught.
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1. If you pray God will answer your prayer.
2. I've prayed to find things I've lost and I've found them If they are findable. Sure he doesn't give me every million dollars I think I need, but little things that show He cares.
Interesting that... that after praying you find the little things that are easy to find if you put your mind to it, and is a little methodical about. However, God refuses to answer prayers that would really show that he cares, like curing my mother-in-law from cancer. A mother-in-law that I loved almost as much as my own mother!
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1. Bible says you will be at peace placing him in your soul
2. I've placed him in my heart and I am at peace in my soul.
I placed Him in my heart, for 10 years, but I didn't truly found peace in my mind and soul until I threw Him out and said "Fuck you, I'll do everything on my own from now on.". Within a year of that, I got a new, better paid and much more interesting and developing job, new friends and finally a girlfriend who loves me more than anything in the world.
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That's my testament, I would stake my life on it that it is true. I suggest you try it if you don't believe. What do you ahve to lose???
And you have some testament from my life, which is also true. I spent 10 years in Pentecostal Church. Though not all of those 10 years was complete waste, the first few years was stabilising my turbulent mind/life. But that was the community of the Church, not God himself. The rest of those years, at least seven of the was a complete waste.
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I would repeat that in the court of law, even in the face of Perjury with penalty of death.
If you truly believe yourself to be right, then I would not expect any less from you.
However, just because you believe something to be true does not automatically mean that is really is, that you are right.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 07:14:47 [Permalink]
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...and the bible is the best possible explaination.
It is in your delusional mind. Science have another answer. One that is testable and verifiable, and does not rely on "revelation" of Truth(TM) from any one individual.
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In case you don't remember Hitlar killed 6 million Jews.
I do remember. I also remember Hitler confessing to be Christian Catholic, doing God's work.
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verlch
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 10:18:29 [Permalink]
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In case you don't remember Hitlar killed 6 million Jews. Free will at its finest, he was allowed to do it.
Sure we remember. He did that because he was a Christian and believed it was good and right to rid the world of those who didn't share his faith. One of Christianity's finest hours. I bet it makes you proud.
He was a quarter Jew actually.
He started printing his own money and not going with the world scheme...You would love to pretend he was Christian, actually I think he was an evolutioninst. He was buddies with Darwin... |
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verlch
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 10:22:01 [Permalink]
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Maybe the devil made the hurriacne [sic] and God is allowing it, who knows. Why doesn [sic] good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people? God didn't force Eve to eat the apple, and if she hadn't done that then there wouldn't be a hurricane killing people. We have a short human life, you cannot explain why you are hear[sic], and the bible is the best possible explaination.
In case you don't remember Hitlar [sic] killed 6 million Jews. Free will at its finest, he was allowed to do it. It just shows you the nature of hedonism, kabbalistic, and humanist teachings.
God made the devil and all evil. God put a tree in the garden, made humans with the capacity for curiosty, then said "hey, don't eat from that tree." Could have just as easily not put the tree there, you know. Also created and placed a talking snake there, too. Kinda setup for failure, but then again god knew exactly what was going to happen, right?
In your bible god loved to (in the OT at least) interefere in man's affairs often. Took away "free will" many times. But since god knows exactly what is going to happen, there is no free will.
So Eve is reponsible for this hurricane? God made it, or allowed it to happen. So the responsibility lies with your god, like it or not. The buck stops there for everything. Stop making excuses for it.
The bible is a primative people's attempt to explan why we are here. How many other religious texts have you read? Are you sure you bet on the right horse for Pascal's Wager?
And you think your religion teaches free will? You need to read your sacred texts again. And again and again instead of getting your spoon feeding from your elders. Reading the bible in its entire form is the best way of finding out about it. Or, maybe you are too much of an intellectual baby to do this, and need to get your dripfeed instead?
Lastly, I noticed you didn't say you would ask god to make the hurricane disappear. Not that much faith I take it. You should do it. Then, when it doesn't happen, you can say "it is part of god's plan." Your god wins everytime.
Its not my will to be done its Gods.
God waged war on nations around Israel to protect them and to keep them faithful to him. God is involved with the human family and I'll bet keeping the devil in check.
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
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Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 10:24:13 [Permalink]
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1. If you pray God will answer your prayer.
2. I've prayed to find things I've lost and I've found them If they are findable. Sure he doesn't give me every million dollars I think I need, but little things that show He cares.
Without noting the contradiction, would you mind praying for the hurricane to disapper? Or is that too much to ask of your god? Or does god not care enough?
If the hurricane just went away, I would think that would be a great evidence to the existence of a/your god and how much he cares for us mortals. Saying he sent his son yadayadayada isn't going to work as an excuse.
But then I remember that you aren't supposed to test god.
God is a pretty slick salesmen - takes all credit for good stuff, and ducks the bad (even though he/she/it created the bad in the first place). And he has plenty of morons hook, line, and sinker.
Maybe the devil made the hurriacne and God is allowing it, who knows. Why doesn good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people? God didn't force Eve to eat the apple, and if she hadn't done that then there wouldn't be a hurricane killing people. We have a short human life, you cannot explain why you are hear, and the bible is the best possible explaination.
In case you don't remember Hitlar killed 6 million Jews. Free will at its finest, he was allowed to do it. It just shows you the nature of hedonism, kabbalistic, and humanist teachings.
I must again ask, and I've yet to recieve a satisfactory answer to this: why do we, and by extention the earth and indeed, the universe itself, have to have a purpose?
Hitler killed six million +; Stalin killed seven million + of his own people by intentionally starving them, and so forth. How many have been killed in various crusades, inqusitions, purges, Biblical genocides, and home-brewed witch lynchings?
I'm agreein' with you, v. Some people should not be allowed free will.
If you read the bible the purpose of our existance is to love and serve God with all our Heart, Mind and Soul. Submitting ourselves to the will of our Maker, loving and serving Him with our "free will" and getting our reward of eternal life that was promised, the hard way, on the cross of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 10:26:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
I wanna see some Macro Evolution in action, not pirctures drawn by man, but some concrete proof instead of story telling to the max...
All you have to do is look around. I'm not actually surprised you deny the evidence written into God's own creation. After all, it was established long ago that your hypocrisy overwhelms your ability to use the brain that God gave you.
Actually, I suspect the verlch objects to the ability of the brain that his God gave him. That is why denying the hard work, cumulative knowledge, of others comes so easily to him. Honest inquiry is beyond him, least he burn in Hell for having used his brain. Can't take that chance with his God.
Thats humanist thinking. This is silly reasoning.
No it is just thinking, and a reasonable evaluation of your approach to any assertion based upon your posts. You deny the knowledge gained from hard work of others because you consider in contrary to what you believe is the revealed word of your God. You believe this word unquestioningly. Why is that? Because you can't take any chances with your God.
If the enslavement of your thinking based upon your God beliefs makes you happy, so be it. But in this forum you should expect people to use, what you believe your God gave us, for the honest evaluation of any assertion based upon its merits. Your assertions are without merit since your God failed to leave any evidence.
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 11:09:32 [Permalink]
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No evidence? Are you the blind leading the blind? You, and your body are enough evidence to show design.
Then it's a pretty poor designer. Our knees are horribly designed for their function. The appendix is worthless. Our upright stance precipitates a proliferation of bad backs and poor posture, not to mention the effects of gravity upon our internal organs. And the formation of testes inside the body and having them fall to their external position weakens the intestinal wall and causes inguinal hernias, something of which I have personally experienced.
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filthy
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 11:10:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
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Originally posted by verlch...
In case you don't remember Hitlar killed 6 million Jews. Free will at its finest, he was allowed to do it.
Sure we remember. He did that because he was a Christian and believed it was good and right to rid the world of those who didn't share his faith. One of Christianity's finest hours. I bet it makes you proud.
He was a quarter Jew actually.
He started printing his own money and not going with the world scheme...You would love to pretend he was Christian, actually I think he was an evolutioninst. He was buddies with Darwin...
By his own words, he was a Christian, a Catholic. I will post some of his quotes if you wish. Whether or not he carried Jewish blood is still a matter in dispute, and probably will never be resolved. Here you will find quite a good biography on Hitler.
And Darwin was long dead before Adolph made the scene. And if he accepted evolution, so what? The beliefs of lack of them of any individual change nothing about the Theory of Evolution.
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If you read the bible the purpose of our existance is to love and serve God with all our Heart, Mind and Soul. Submitting ourselves to the will of our Maker, loving and serving Him with our "free will" and getting our reward of eternal life that was promised, the hard way, on the cross of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ...
I hate to call this more metaphysical codswallop. However, not being able to confirm the existance of any of the myriad gods H. sapiens has embraced over the time he has been on earth, I must call it, alas, metaphysical codswallop. And so I must until such confirmation is presented.
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No evidence? Are you the blind leading the blind? You, and your body are enough evidence to show design.
And a shoddy design it is, too: improper spine for a biped, a time-bomb appendix, easily damaged knees, too many teeth for our jaws, vision center at the back of the brain rather than the front, and so forth. The alledged Designer should be fired for incompentence and someone younger brought in for the job.
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ktesibios
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By his own words, he was a Christian, a Catholic. I will post some of his quotes if you wish. Whether or not he carried Jewish blood is still a matter in dispute, and probably will never be resolved. Here you will find quite a good biography on Hitler.
Umm, the question of Hitler's putative Jewish ancestry doesn't seem to be in a whole lot of dispute anymore, except perhaps among PCTs and poorly-vetted Internet resources. Rather than re-write the whole thing, I'm going to lift from my own post on the subject over on the Illuminati-R-Us forum:
The tale of Hitler's possible Jewish ancestor appears to come from Dr. Hans Frank. He told it to Major Douglas Kelley and Captain Gustav Gilbert, the psychiatrist and psychologist at the Nuremberg prison where Frank was held during his trial as a major Nazi war criiminal. There's an excellent retelling of it in Joseph E. Persico's Nuremberg: Infamy on Trial.
Also, according to this excerpt from Hitler 1889-1936: Hubris by Ian Kershaw, which I found here,
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the most serious speculation about Hitler's supposed Jewish background has occurred since the Second World War, and is directly traceable to the memoirs of the leading Nazi lawyer and Governor General of Poland, Hans Frank, dictated in his Nuremberg cell while awaiting the hangman.
The story as told by Kershaw is the same as in Persico. It holds that Maria Anna Schicklgruber, Hitler's paternal grandmother, was working in the Graz home of a Jewish family named Frankenberger, who had a teenage son, when she became pregnant with Hitler's father Alois. It's also claimed that the Frankenbergers paid her an allowance for Alois' care, implying that they considered their son responsible.
The thing is, Frank's statements aren't a primary or authoritative source for establishing Hitler's family background, and, again according to Kershaw:
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Frank's story gained wide circulation in the 1950s. But it simply does not stand up. There was no Jewish family called Frankenberger in Graz during the 1830s. In fact, there were no Jews at all in the whole of Styria at the time, since Jews were not permitted in that part of Austria until the 1860s.
The "Hitler had a Jewish grandparent" story was already falling apart by 1973, when Joachim C. Fest's biography Hitler was published. Fest has this to say:
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These two brothers are two of the presumptive fathers of Alois Schicklgruber. The third possiblity, according to a rather wild story that nevertheless comes from one of Hitler's closer associates, is a Graz Jew naned Frankenberger in whose household Maria Anna Schicklgruber is said to have been working when she became pregnant. Such, at any rate, is the testimony of Hans Frank, for many years Hitler's lawyer, later Governor-General of Poland...
The lack of hard evidence, however, makes this thesis appear exceedingly dubious- for all that we may also wonder what had prompted Frank at Nuremberg to ascribe a Jewish ancestor to Hitler. Recent researches have further shaken the credibility of his statement, so that the whole notion can scarcely stand serious investigation.
A historical claim which has only a single source isn't a very robust thing. When the single source is the unsupported assertion of a person who, while he may have possessed insider information, is of decidedly dubious veracity, the claim is positively feeble, unless it can be supported after the fact by stronger, independent evidence. When the available independent evidence not only fails to provide support but tends to falsify the premise- we're left with nothing but moonshine.
Not that I would be surprised to see Verlch lapping it up...
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I haven't read any recent research on Hitler in some time, and the 'Jewish blood' claim seems so minor as compared to the rest of his history, that I've never thought to research it myself. Thanks for the update.
An interesting aside, Hitler served with distinction in WW-I, and was awarder the Iron Cross First Class -- an unusual award for an enlisted man. It was the only decoration he would ever wear for the rest of his life. He was reccommended for it by a Jewish officer, whose name I once had but can't find.
None of which has anything to do with the Theory of Evolution. I sometimes wonder why creationists use Hitler as an example of an evolutionist. Are they trying to refute it by association? If so, I might argue that Christianity is an evil that should be stamped out because Pope Innocent III was one.
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 14:26:55 [Permalink]
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Your assertions are without merit since your God failed to leave any evidence.
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No evidence? Are you the blind leading the blind? You, and your body are enough evidence to show design.
Seems this topic is back where it started. Intelligent design. Leaving aside the fact that ID is not science (I'm sure you don't care if it is or not), you have the huge problem that even if the human body was "intelligently" designed, there is no evidence that your god did it. It might as well have been aliens, time travellers, Oden, Plato or the tooth fairy (and on a personal note, I would prefer any of these to your god). The evidence that your god designed humans (or anything for that matter) is non-existent. |
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filthy
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I read somewhere the other day that the best argument against ID is it's proponents. Seems reasonable.
But being unable to leave well enough alone, I'll again question the competence of this alleged designer (be it aliens, time travellers, Oden, Plato or the tooth fairy), and ask why the hell did the idiots(s) bless us with: the same tube being used for both swallowing and breathing, resulting in many people, devout and profane together, strangling to death on food. Why are we, the devout and the profane together, often afflicted with such things as malaria carrying mosquitos, rabid dog bites, the Firey Serpent (guinea worm) and other, fascinating vermiforms.
And then there's polio, leprosy, Yersina pestis, ergot of rye, various cancers, and all that happy ol' shit to torment and waste the devout and the profane together.
What's up with all this? And don't hand me that 'Orginal Sin' crap, either. The 'designer', if I have it right, is not supposed to have been identified, and is not necessarly God.
And that's another problem with it: if you can't name the 'designer' nor even say exactly what it might be, how do you know such a thing exists?
Ah, irreductable complexity, you say? Life on earth is too complex to have evolved over time (4.5 billion years). Hogwash! If that tripe is true, how come the fossil record demonstrates evolutionary progression? How come it is an orderly progression as predicted by the ToE. How come Dimetrodon fossils have never been associated with human, if they had all been created (that word!) as is?
The only controversy is a delusion easily debunked, and Intelligent Design is no more than creationism hiding under a shabby cloak of blather; untestable, unfalsifiable, unscientific, and indeed unintelligble.
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