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verlch
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 Posted - 08/28/2005 : 15:03:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Mammoth and mastodon evolution is quite well documented, thank you.
Oddly, or perhaps not, they are not all that closely related, although they existed at the same time. And modern elephants evolved from neither. It's that old 'common ancestor' thingie that keeps cropping up all the time and gets more pronounced the farther back you look.
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Well I don't like it. If your the PC police than jump in the river.
Pat Robertson is a puppet on a string as well and just because a man claims to have an inside line to God doesn't mean he does. He has free will and he can do as he pleases.
I don't like it either, but bear in mind that neither Robertson nor anyone else can 'do as he pleases.' "Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins." That's the point where it can get dangerous. Robertson has demonstrated himself to be a fool on many occasions.
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This time even louder, A LESBIAN SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A NORMAL FAMILY UNIT. What would you expect from a state run by women. Its my personal opinion and personal attacks are not going to cut it. Especially ones from your Skeptic bible that maps out your ways to attack Christians as they try to prove a point. I'm not angry, your ploy is not working. I'm all the wiser to your distraught poking the Tiger with a stick games. You appear smarter than you really are. Better revamp the attack strategy!!!!
I really don't know how to argue the 'correct family' topic, so I'll leave it alone. However, I'd like to point out there have been many women that came into great power that did quite well at it. Nefertitti for example, and Elizabeth I of England. Why should not a woman, if she is capable and qualified, be an effective leader? After all, it is the leader's province to act to the benefit of his/her followers, gender not withstanding. History tells us that our gender, as often as not, made a proper dogs dinner of it. For a modern example, our current president is quite possibly the most corrupt and certainly the least competant ever. He'd find a way to fuck up a soup sandwich, if I may mix the metphore a tad. Anybody, of any gender or even the undecided, could do a better job. I hope to see that useless hound kicked back up under the porch where he belongs.
If by "Skeptic's Bible" you mean this, it is no more than proper debate procedure and the pitfalls to avoid, useful, one hopes, by skeptic and Christian alike and should be examined carefully by anyone wanting to get into any sort of debate. Your problem is that you cannot come up with even a smidgen of cold hard evidence to support your conjecture. All you can do is deny. But while I must admire the effort that goes into the denial, you're still pissing into the wind.
I never figuritivly "poke the tiger with a stick," except sometimes just for the fun of it. It is always unproductive -- everybody get's their nipples twisted and it only ever results in noise. But it's fun, now and again. 
The point is you have no desire to learn the truth about God and the bible. Your just worried Fundie Christiandom is going to take over and not allow you to do Immoral (with all do respect Immoral to me and the bible, I've done immoral things I believe I'm forgiven, for the record) or activities you deem pleasurable but are considered a sin in the bible and Gods word.
If a Christian wins an election far and square and doesn't impose on your free will to do as you please than what is the problem???
Life is short and my testament to you, in the Court of God, under oath before God, is that following the bible works. It brings happiness if you choose on your own free will to follow it as good as any man can follow it.
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 08/28/2005 : 15:04:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by moakley
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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I wanna see some Macro Evolution in action, not pirctures drawn by man, but some concrete proof instead of story telling to the max...
All you have to do is look around. I'm not actually surprised you deny the evidence written into God's own creation. After all, it was established long ago that your hypocrisy overwhelms your ability to use the brain that God gave you.
Actually, I suspect the verlch objects to the ability of the brain that his God gave him. That is why denying the hard work, cumulative knowledge, of others comes so easily to him. Honest inquiry is beyond him, least he burn in Hell for having used his brain. Can't take that chance with his God.
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 08/28/2005 : 15:07:53 [Permalink]
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How so in its most simple form? It pushes trees around and yet is so invisible. Kinda like God. You can't see Him, but by the complex world around you you can see His handy work!!!
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Craptastic.
Not like a god at all. Wind is moving air. Air exists. You can see "wind" by adding a colored gas in the air (air is just a collection of gases afterall). Easy.
Same goes for water current. If you are surrounded by water (underwater)...you can't see water current. But if you add a different color water, you can see it.
If you can't understand what is happening, it must be god. Intellectual laziness at its finest.
Funny how bigbrain, HYBRID, and this person all sound so remakably banal and pedantic.
More like how dare something inivisble like the power of wind exist.
Its like an unseen hand moving branches. Much like the Unseen Hand of God creating this world you devalue.
If you can't explain it, craptastic, lets believe in Evolution. That's just great... I'll bet an Eskimo could sell you guys ice in Alasks. You guys will buy anything as long as it doesn't have rules... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 08/28/2005 : 15:11:05 [Permalink]
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I wanna see some Macro Evolution in action, not pirctures drawn by man, but some concrete proof instead of story telling to the max...
It looks to me like you see macro evolution as a single event, akin to a cat giving birth to a dog. If you do (please correct me) than you have posted nothing but a strawman.
No my new friend from feminized New Zeland. There are millions upon millions of fossil in the ground, not the bedrock of creation, but the ground and none of them have anysort of lost Marcro Evolution traits. Small changes are debatable. Strawman? All you have is pictures of animals that never existed. Not my cup of tea... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 08/28/2005 : 15:12:22 [Permalink]
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Nowdays a family in California consists of two Lesbians. You will see the fruits of that, lets watch gentlemen!!!
A few scenarios if all Californian families were composed of two lesbians:
1. Providing there is no one moving there, the state will be devoid of people within ~60 years (good for wildlife).
2. Some lesbian couples opt for IVF, cloning or adoption to get children. Outcome: not all Californian families consist of two lesbians.
3. A state composed of only lesbians becomes a huge tourist attraction and California gets even richer.
4. Verlch is secretly turned on by lesbians and moves to California.
Did I forget any ...fruits...?
lol...thats cute. I like women, just not that much. Any more flame wars you can try and start with me??? |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 08/28/2005 : 15:18:48 [Permalink]
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by verlch:
Nowdays a family in California consists of two Lesbians. You will see the fruits of that, lets watch gentlemen!!!
Hey verlch, maybe you can point me to some of your favorite websites for this sort of thing, if you know what I mean.
And welcome back. I see the institution restored your computer privileges.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">You as you sit are a genetic mutation as am I, I would not expect to see so many genetic mutations all of the same species. I would expectd to see some mutants that survive and are not wiped out. Some, maybe one, maybe on with a thrid or fourth eye or arm or leg or pivate part. Not a defect, but a mutation of a mutation so to speak. I wanna see some Macro Evolution in action, not pirctures drawn by man, but some concrete proof instead of story telling to the max...
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Thanks for that, V, you crack me up
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Yeah they let me talk about Evolution stuff every once in awhile!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/28/2005 : 16:07:27 [Permalink]
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The point is you have no desire to learn the truth about God and the bible. Your just worried Fundie Christiandom is going to take over and not allow you to do Immoral (with all do respect Immoral to me and the bible, I've done immoral things I believe I'm forgiven, for the record) or activities you deem pleasurable but are considered a sin in the bible and Gods word.
If a Christian wins an election far and square and doesn't impose on your free will to do as you please than what is the problem???
Life is short and my testament to you, in the Court of God, under oath before God, is that following the bible works. It brings happiness if you choose on your own free will to follow it as good as any man can follow it.
I'll bet you would get all fuzzy inside when one of the so called "Christian Fundies" sides with you on topics I've spoken about.
What are you on about?
I am only worried about the fundies taking over in that they will destroy educational standards and at least attempt to bring on a repressive theocratcy such as might be observed in Iran. I have my own moral standards and all too often they seem a hell of a lot higher than those displayed by many of the ever-so-righteous leaders of the various churchs.
I really don't care what the religious beliefs of political candidates are. As long as they abide by the Constitution of the United States, they can worship or not as they please, whatever version of pie-in-the-sky that suits their fancy. I have no problem with with it.
If a fundie agreed with me, or the other way 'round, on whatever topic, I would not get too excited. The laws of averages say that it's bound to happen someday.
Y'see verlch, I am not anti-religion; I just don't believe in any of them. I also don't believe that the people from a planet in another galaxy regularly visit the earth, bigfoot raped someone's grandmother, the Loch Ness whatever is a pleiosaur, modern pop is music, nor the tooth fairy. I do however believe in Batboy, but only because Kil twisted my arm.
I think that religion is a great, social unifier, for good or ill. All too often, it favors ill; the Taliban, Afgani and the American, Christian version, for example. On the other hand, many churchs are a benefit to the communities they serve.
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GeeMack
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Posted - 08/28/2005 : 17:10:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch...
Life is short and my testament to you, in the Court of God, under oath before God, is that following the bible works. It brings happiness if you choose on your own free will to follow it as good as any man can follow it.
Life is short and my testament to you, being capable and independent and not so weak as to require believing in bogeymen, and being fully able to make an honest statement without threat of damnation by supernatural forces, is that standing on one's own two feet and using rational critical thinking works. It brings happiness if you choose on your own free will to follow it as good as any man can follow it.
One big difference is your belief that those who don't share your fantasies are doomed to spend eternity in hell. You judge. Atheists don't have any such irrational notions. We wouldn't dare impose any threat of eternal torture and pain upon you, nor would we suggest that a delusion, some mythical being existing only in your imagination, would treat you in such an evil and malicious way. Our minds aren't all stuffed up with those little wads of shit that seem to clog your thinking process. Maybe that's why we are generally smarter, more capable, more independent, stronger, and more longsighted than the typical fundamental "faithful".
The only reason your beliefs are considered even remotely sane is because they are common, but common doesn't make them right. The once commonly held belief that the earth was flat serves as an example. More intelligent humans move forward. Less intelligent, less capable humans apparently don't have the broadness of thinking necessary to progress as rapidly. They often feel more comfortable clinging to the myths of the past. More power to you if you've found something that comforts you in your weakness. I realize it may be impossible for you to understand with your obvious lack of ability to think rationally, but you are wrong in assuming everyone else is as incapable of clear headed, critical thinking as you.
If you applied the same vigor to wishing on stars, fearing the creature that lives under the bed, or rubbing rabbit's feet for good luck, as you apply to your continued effort to convince others of the reality of your delusions, society would declare you eccentric... at least. If you did those things and tried as desperately as you do to convince rational intelligent people that they must also believe your delusions, they'd likely consider you insane. And if you were as intrusive about it as much of Christianity is about demanding others share their fantasies, they'd probably lock you up.
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verlch
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Posted - 08/28/2005 : 17:31:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
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Originally posted by verlch...
Life is short and my testament to you, in the Court of God, under oath before God, is that following the bible works. It brings happiness if you choose on your own free will to follow it as good as any man can follow it.
Life is short and my testament to you, being capable and independent and not so weak as to require believing in bogeymen, and being fully able to make an honest statement without threat of damnation by supernatural forces, is that standing on one's own two feet and using rational critical thinking works. It brings happiness if you choose on your own free will to follow it as good as any man can follow it.
One big difference is your belief that those who don't share your fantasies are doomed to spend eternity in hell. You judge. Atheists don't have any such irrational notions. We wouldn't dare impose any threat of eternal torture and pain upon you, nor would we suggest that a delusion, some mythical being existing only in your imagination, would treat you in such an evil and malicious way. Our minds aren't all stuffed up with those little wads of shit that seem to clog your thinking process. Maybe that's why we are generally smarter, more capable, more independent, stronger, and more longsighted than the typical fundamental "faithful".
The only reason your beliefs are considered even remotely sane is because they are common, but common doesn't make them right. The once commonly held belief that the earth was flat serves as an example. More intelligent humans move forward. Less intelligent, less capable humans apparently don't have the broadness of thinking necessary to progress as rapidly. They often feel more comfortable clinging to the myths of the past. More power to you if you've found something that comforts you in your weakness. I realize it may be impossible for you to understand with your obvious lack of ability to think rationally, but you are wrong in assuming everyone else is as incapable of clear headed, critical thinking as you.
If you applied the same vigor to wishing on stars, fearing the creature that lives under the bed, or rubbing rabbit's feet for good luck, as you apply to your continued effort to convince others of the reality of your delusions, society would declare you eccentric... at least. If you did those things and tried as desperately as you do to convince rational intelligent people that they must also believe your delusions, they'd likely consider you insane. And if you were as intrusive about it as much of Christianity is about demanding others share their fantasies, they'd probably lock you up.
Evolution is Dogma. If you call Evolution clear rational thinking than I want what your on.
Here is my core beliefs.
1. Bible says don't steal.
2. If you steal there is punishment.
3. If you steal you will get stolen from more than you stole
4. I stole and I can testify in court that it is true. I got plenty of things stolen from me!!!
1. If you pray God will answer your prayer.
2. I've prayed to find things I've lost and I've found them If they are findable. Sure he doesn't give me every million dollars I think I need, but little things that show He cares.
1. Bible says you will be at peace placing him in your soul
2. I've placed him in my heart and I am at peace in my soul.
1. Pay tithe to Gods cause and you will be blessed.
2. Paid tithe and been blessed.
1. Avoid sin and be blessed.
2. Done that I my life is at peace, there is no restlessness I had before when I was sinning and running amock.
That's my testament, I would stake my life on it that it is true. I suggest you try it if you don't believe. What do you ahve to lose???
I would repeat that in the court of law, even in the face of Perjury with penalty of death. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Hawks
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Posted - 08/28/2005 : 17:33:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Hawks
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Originally posted by verlch
I wanna see some Macro Evolution in action, not pirctures drawn by man, but some concrete proof instead of story telling to the max...
It looks to me like you see macro evolution as a single event, akin to a cat giving birth to a dog. If you do (please correct me) than you have posted nothing but a strawman.
No my new friend from feminized New Zeland. There are millions upon millions of fossil in the ground, not the bedrock of creation, but the ground and none of them have anysort of lost Marcro Evolution traits. Small changes are debatable. Strawman? All you have is pictures of animals that never existed. Not my cup of tea...
Why is New Zealand feminized? What does "...none of them have anysort of lost Marcro Evolution traits." mean? Why are small changes debatable? What pictures of animals that never existed? |
METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL
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pleco
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Posted - 08/28/2005 : 17:56:09 [Permalink]
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1. If you pray God will answer your prayer.
2. I've prayed to find things I've lost and I've found them If they are findable. Sure he doesn't give me every million dollars I think I need, but little things that show He cares.
Without noting the contradiction, would you mind praying for the hurricane to disapper? Or is that too much to ask of your god? Or does god not care enough?
If the hurricane just went away, I would think that would be a great evidence to the existence of a/your god and how much he cares for us mortals. Saying he sent his son yadayadayada isn't going to work as an excuse.
But then I remember that you aren't supposed to test god.
God is a pretty slick salesmen - takes all credit for good stuff, and ducks the bad (even though he/she/it created the bad in the first place). And he has plenty of morons hook, line, and sinker. |
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verlch
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Posted - 08/28/2005 : 21:45:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
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1. If you pray God will answer your prayer.
2. I've prayed to find things I've lost and I've found them If they are findable. Sure he doesn't give me every million dollars I think I need, but little things that show He cares.
Without noting the contradiction, would you mind praying for the hurricane to disapper? Or is that too much to ask of your god? Or does god not care enough?
If the hurricane just went away, I would think that would be a great evidence to the existence of a/your god and how much he cares for us mortals. Saying he sent his son yadayadayada isn't going to work as an excuse.
But then I remember that you aren't supposed to test god.
God is a pretty slick salesmen - takes all credit for good stuff, and ducks the bad (even though he/she/it created the bad in the first place). And he has plenty of morons hook, line, and sinker.
Maybe the devil made the hurriacne and God is allowing it, who knows. Why doesn good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people? God didn't force Eve to eat the apple, and if she hadn't done that then there wouldn't be a hurricane killing people. We have a short human life, you cannot explain why you are hear, and the bible is the best possible explaination.
In case you don't remember Hitlar killed 6 million Jews. Free will at its finest, he was allowed to do it. It just shows you the nature of hedonism, kabbalistic, and humanist teachings. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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GeeMack
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Posted - 08/28/2005 : 22:07:56 [Permalink]
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In case you don't remember Hitlar killed 6 million Jews. Free will at its finest, he was allowed to do it.
Sure we remember. He did that because he was a Christian and believed it was good and right to rid the world of those who didn't share his faith. One of Christianity's finest hours. I bet it makes you proud.
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pleco
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 00:43:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Maybe the devil made the hurriacne [sic] and God is allowing it, who knows. Why doesn [sic] good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people? God didn't force Eve to eat the apple, and if she hadn't done that then there wouldn't be a hurricane killing people. We have a short human life, you cannot explain why you are hear[sic], and the bible is the best possible explaination.
In case you don't remember Hitlar [sic] killed 6 million Jews. Free will at its finest, he was allowed to do it. It just shows you the nature of hedonism, kabbalistic, and humanist teachings.
God made the devil and all evil. God put a tree in the garden, made humans with the capacity for curiosty, then said "hey, don't eat from that tree." Could have just as easily not put the tree there, you know. Also created and placed a talking snake there, too. Kinda setup for failure, but then again god knew exactly what was going to happen, right?
In your bible god loved to (in the OT at least) interefere in man's affairs often. Took away "free will" many times. But since god knows exactly what is going to happen, there is no free will.
So Eve is reponsible for this hurricane? God made it, or allowed it to happen. So the responsibility lies with your god, like it or not. The buck stops there for everything. Stop making excuses for it.
The bible is a primative people's attempt to explan why we are here. How many other religious texts have you read? Are you sure you bet on the right horse for Pascal's Wager?
And you think your religion teaches free will? You need to read your sacred texts again. And again and again instead of getting your spoon feeding from your elders. Reading the bible in its entire form is the best way of finding out about it. Or, maybe you are too much of an intellectual baby to do this, and need to get your dripfeed instead?
Lastly, I noticed you didn't say you would ask god to make the hurricane disappear. Not that much faith I take it. You should do it. Then, when it doesn't happen, you can say "it is part of god's plan." Your god wins everytime. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/29/2005 : 02:59:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by pleco
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1. If you pray God will answer your prayer.
2. I've prayed to find things I've lost and I've found them If they are findable. Sure he doesn't give me every million dollars I think I need, but little things that show He cares.
Without noting the contradiction, would you mind praying for the hurricane to disapper? Or is that too much to ask of your god? Or does god not care enough?
If the hurricane just went away, I would think that would be a great evidence to the existence of a/your god and how much he cares for us mortals. Saying he sent his son yadayadayada isn't going to work as an excuse.
But then I remember that you aren't supposed to test god.
God is a pretty slick salesmen - takes all credit for good stuff, and ducks the bad (even though he/she/it created the bad in the first place). And he has plenty of morons hook, line, and sinker.
Maybe the devil made the hurriacne and God is allowing it, who knows. Why doesn good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people? God didn't force Eve to eat the apple, and if she hadn't done that then there wouldn't be a hurricane killing people. We have a short human life, you cannot explain why you are hear, and the bible is the best possible explaination.
In case you don't remember Hitlar killed 6 million Jews. Free will at its finest, he was allowed to do it. It just shows you the nature of hedonism, kabbalistic, and humanist teachings.
I must again ask, and I've yet to recieve a satisfactory answer to this: why do we, and by extention the earth and indeed, the universe itself, have to have a purpose?
Hitler killed six million +; Stalin killed seven million + of his own people by intentionally starving them, and so forth. How many have been killed in various crusades, inqusitions, purges, Biblical genocides, and home-brewed witch lynchings?
I'm agreein' with you, v. Some people should not be allowed free will.
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