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Valiant Dancer
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 Posted - 08/12/2005 : 10:33:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by bigbrain
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiolocation ???
No, please show me drawings of triangulations 
In the first link there is a diagram (drawing) of a triangulation. Right up at the top, too.
No, that is a triangulation on a plane 
We are in 3D space, dear friend
And a plane doesn't move in 3D?
Works the same way in space. |
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sts60
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Posted - 08/12/2005 : 10:34:50 [Permalink]
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John Baez's crackpot index (http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html) is actually meant to be applied to people claiming a new scientific theory. I think that to get well into triple digits without even claiming a new theory is a remarkable achievement. Especially since Baez has no point category for "denying the existence of an explicit citation provided in response to a demand for such a citation".
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/12/2005 : 10:35:12 [Permalink]
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BigIdiot,
Why does this stuff concern you? Since you aren't an american citizen, none of your tax dollars have been "swindled".
Please answer the questions put forth in the other thread. Or, go walk your dog, since he's apparently the only friend you have.
Do you really need to hear yourself say how smart you think you are? Listen very clearly: you are not smart. You've discovered nothing. And, with the amount of time you devote to this, it's clear that you have no life.
Goodbye loser.
Confute my statements instead of offending me
Been confuted. You just ignore them. |
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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/12/2005 : 10:37:33 [Permalink]
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"And a plane doesn't move in 3D?
Works the same way in space".
No, you don't understand how things function in 3D space |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/12/2005 : 10:39:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
"And a plane doesn't move in 3D?
Works the same way in space".
No, you don't understand how things function in 3D space
Your ignorance in this matter is astounding. A plane travels in 3 dimentions. Radiolocation on a plane works exactly the same way as in space. |
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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/12/2005 : 10:39:47 [Permalink]
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"Been confuted. You just ignore them"
NOT AT ALL |
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Fripp
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Posted - 08/12/2005 : 10:42:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
No, you don't understand how things function in 3D space
OK, then describe how things function in 3D space. And tell us where you got your education. And exactly how you can claim to be knowledgable in this area.
And answer three other questions posed.
1. Where did all the money go?
2. Did NASA plan all the well-publicized failures as well?
3. And why does this concern you?
Otherwise, I will continue to offend you, idiot. |
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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/12/2005 : 10:44:15 [Permalink]
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"Your ignorance in this matter is astounding. A plane travels in 3 dimentions. Radiolocation on a plane works exactly the same way as in space".
NO, if you do a triangulation from two points in 3D space, you can't locate your probe.
You should use 3 POINTS |
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sts60
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Posted - 08/12/2005 : 10:53:31 [Permalink]
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Do any of you SFN regulars have difficulty understanding that observations made from different facilities, then repeated at those facilities after the Earth has moved them through space, can uniquely locate an object in space? That is, just repeating the observations after a while provides multiple triangulation points?
No, I didn't think any of you had difficulty understanding that. Nor understanding that such is not the only way to determine spacecraft location.
Edited to add: actually, taking measurements at different times (and thus at different points on the Earth's orbit) can be used to determine the distance to a fair number of stars, not just objects in the solar system. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/12/2005 : 10:57:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
"Your ignorance in this matter is astounding. A plane travels in 3 dimentions. Radiolocation on a plane works exactly the same way as in space".
NO, if you do a triangulation from two points in 3D space, you can't locate your probe.
You should use 3 POINTS
Your assumption is absurd.
1) radiolocation relies on equipment which can tell the exact direction of the returning beam.
2) There are far more than one tracking station on earth which are used for this.
3) two points on a globe going out to a third point in space gets you triangulation.
Thus endeth the basic geometry lesson for now. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 08/12/2005 : 10:57:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
"Been confuted. You just ignore them"
NOT AT ALL
Refusing to evaluate them does not make them go away. |
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the_ignored
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Posted - 08/12/2005 : 11:02:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
quote:
Originally posted by bigbrain
"Your ignorance in this matter is astounding. A plane travels in 3 dimentions. Radiolocation on a plane works exactly the same way as in space".
NO, if you do a triangulation from two points in 3D space, you can't locate your probe.
You should use 3 POINTS
Your assumption is absurd.
1) radiolocation relies on equipment which can tell the exact direction of the returning beam.
2) There are far more than one tracking station on earth which are used for this.
3) two points on a globe going out to a third point in space gets you triangulation.
Thus endeth the basic geometry lesson for now.
Yay. I've learned something from this post actually! I believe Kent Hovind seems to have had some of the big trouble understand this as "big brain" does? |
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
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> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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pleco
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Posted - 08/12/2005 : 11:04:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
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Originally posted by bigbrain
"Your ignorance in this matter is astounding. A plane travels in 3 dimentions. Radiolocation on a plane works exactly the same way as in space".
NO, if you do a triangulation from two points in 3D space, you can't locate your probe.
You should use 3 POINTS
Your assumption is absurd.
1) radiolocation relies on equipment which can tell the exact direction of the returning beam.
2) There are far more than one tracking station on earth which are used for this.
3) two points on a globe going out to a third point in space gets you triangulation.
Thus endeth the basic geometry lesson for now.
On top of the fact (alreadymentioned I think) that as the Earth moves through space (and rotates too), those tracking station now have different x,y,z locations in 3D space (4D if we count time), therefore giving you much more than 3 points to triangulate. On top of the fact there are probably more than 2 stations.
Now, are you going to concede that you have been confuted on this? Or will you just gloss over this and make some other ridiculous assertion?
Next.
Edit: sorry, two other posters have already stated this - my apologies. |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 08/12/2005 : 11:55:47 [Permalink]
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Why are you folks still responding, read between the lines, In post #2 "Are you all gullible people in this forum"
Nobody is this stupid not even Verlch.
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bigbrain
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Posted - 08/12/2005 : 12:01:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
" ... those tracking station now have different x,y,z locations in 3D space ..."
Have different x, y, z locations relative to ???
Is this Hyperion? No, it's a typical stone you can find in aquaria
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpegMod/PIA06245_modest.jpg |
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