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caslad60
New Member
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 09/04/2005 : 02:11:09 [Permalink]
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Back on the other forum I just got a warning from Herr Gruppenfuhrer Brooks who runs the site, about discussing politics.What a sad individual..maybe he is reading different reports to me. I like the one about Bush immeadiately visiting the area of devastation..he flew over it in Air Force One watching the dying hoards.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4211320.stm
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 09/04/2005 : 06:41:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
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Originally posted by pleco
I think that a terrorist would pick right now as the time to do something in the US. The world can see how pathetic the govt. was at handling this, and now resources are stretched thin. :-(
Why should they bother? We're doing a good job of it without their help.
Filthy, I couldn't help but notice the irony of your sig quote:
"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
Who is it again that doesn't think?
Now B'gal, you know just as well as I that Hitler only had one ball was speaking in the venacular of the times; "men" meaning the overwhelming percentage of Homo sapiens, male, female, and working-on-it.
Interesting thought though, as to the how the roles of women have, not so much changed, as expanded in the scarce decades since WW-II.
I think she meant, "who's that does not think again? Men (aka the rest of the world) or leaders (aka, incompetent assholes in charge)?" |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 09/04/2005 : 14:08:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by caslad60
Back on the other forum I just got a warning from Herr Gruppenfuhrer Brooks who runs the site, about discussing politics.What a sad individual..maybe he is reading different reports to me. I like the one about Bush immeadiately visiting the area of devastation..he flew over it in Air Force One watching the dying hoards.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4211320.stm
Howard
Interesting article. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 09/05/2005 : 11:53:12 [Permalink]
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| I meant it as Siberia explains. Bush certainly doesn't think a whole lot. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 09/05/2005 : 12:32:15 [Permalink]
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I know I started this by pointing fingers at the Feds, and I do think FEMA is to blame for the breaking of the levies, and Bush is indeed a detached ignoramous.
However, this was also heart-breaking in terms of local government failure to act on getting poor people out of the city who were unable to get out themselves: http://junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_08_28.html#004752
All them yellow rectangles are city busses. |
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GeeMack
SFN Regular
USA
1093 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2005 : 18:33:11 [Permalink]
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As expected, all of George Katrina Bush's cronies are jumping in to try to shore up his ever dwindling popularity.
Rice Defends Bush's Katrina Response
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BAYOU LA BATRE, Ala. (AP) - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice defended President Bush on Sunday against charges that the government's sluggish response to Hurricane Katrina showed racial insensitivity.
"Nobody, especially the president, would have left people unattended on the basis of race," the administration's highest-ranking black said as she toured damaged parts of her native Alabama.
And I bet this line was comforting to some of those people still dying on second floors and in attics of flooded buildings. You tell 'em Condi!quote:
"The Lord is going to come on time -- if we just wait," she said.
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trishran
Skeptic Friend
USA
196 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2005 : 21:10:34 [Permalink]
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I saw on MacNiel Lehrer, the other night, David Brooks of all people, saying he was not happy with Bush. [Hey, it's a start]. But Oiphant, columnist for the Boston Globe, was saying that a Mississippi flood in the 1920s galvanized the Progressive movement, leading to the same New Deal that the Republicans have been attempting to dismantle.
One thing I find weird is the idea that people would be firing on rescue workers. What happened - did they run out of food before they ran out of liquor? Are they afraid that marshal law will imprison them? Have a small number of rare bad acts been overplayed to the point where actions seem ubiquitous [a la "child snatchings"]?
I can understand that 5 days without food might leave people incapable of rational thought.
I think that the destruction of New Orleans population was largely the result of the kind of anti-community, mean spirited, short-sighted, cutthroat capitalist greed that has made it impossible to get national health care in the largest industrial economy in the world [which many smaller economies manage to provide].
The only way civilized society works is if there is a concept of the public good. Why was there federal money for tax breaks for multinational energy companies [in the Post Enron world], but not for flood control, in light of recent, graphic evidence of the disruption even level 3 hurricanes can inflict? |
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tw101356
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 09/05/2005 : 21:27:50 [Permalink]
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The hurricane evacuation plan put together for New Orleans did NOT include evacuating the poor.
Lenin's Tomb has the lowdown, including this quote and more links:
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As a July 24, 2005 article in the New Orleans Times Picayune (not online but extensively quoted here) put it: 'City, state and federal emergency officials are preparing to give the poorest of New Orleans' poor a historically blunt message: In the event of a major hurricane, you're on your own'. Mayor Nagin himself appeared on the DVD, telling people that they wouldn't be evacuated, or any support provided. The city had the resources to put together a digital package to tell the poor that there were no resources for them.
Nagin was a Republican who donated to Bush. He switched parties to Democrat the day before he filed for the mayoral race.
(Agh. The quote is the link and the link is the quote. Sorry. Too tired to fix, and y'all can handle reading birdbrain so this should be OK.)
[Edited to fix linking issue mentioned above - Dave W.] |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2005 : 01:18:15 [Permalink]
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| Not getting the poor out was unforgivable, but let's not forget the plan was those who couldn't get out were to go to the Superdome and FEMA was, "ready to assess and move in as soon as the storm blew over". If you were mayor and the feds told you that, would you send folks out of town in busses to no destination but the open highway? Busing is a great idea but where can the local administrators send folks without federal or at least regional government direction? |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
3739 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 18:12:51 [Permalink]
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An editorial from Truth Out comparing the pathetic US response to Katrina to how Cuba wonderfully dealt with their own category 5 hurricane disaster.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/090305Y.shtml
Here's the first paragraph:
Last September, a Category 5 hurricane battered the small island of Cuba with 160-mile-per-hour winds. More than 1.5 million Cubans were evacuated to higher ground ahead of the storm. Although the hurricane destroyed 20,000 houses, no one died. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2005 : 00:55:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
An editorial from Truth Out comparing the pathetic US response to Katrina to how Cuba wonderfully dealt with their own category 5 hurricane disaster.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/090305Y.shtml
Here's the first paragraph:
Last September, a Category 5 hurricane battered the small island of Cuba with 160-mile-per-hour winds. More than 1.5 million Cubans were evacuated to higher ground ahead of the storm. Although the hurricane destroyed 20,000 houses, no one died.
And so many people in this country believe Castro only rules by brute force. People want to leave Cuba but there are many reasons and certainly not everyone wants to leave. I'd guess quite a few Cubans like a lot about their government. |
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