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filthy
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Just a small question in the back of my mind that would really have no impact upon any situation beyond making the chronicly bewildered uncomfortable. It concerns a few rather prominent people that are currently missing in action.
Where was Sylvia Brown when Katrina was no more than a mere low-pressure wheeze in the Carribean? I mean, c'mon, how could anyone claiming the power of prophetcy miss the upcoming destruction of New Orleans? To an expert psychic such as she, that should have stuck out like a hog in the parlor -- easy call.
Perhaps she was on vacation, eh?
Also on vacation it seems, were van Praagh, Edward, Geller (although he might claim to have caused it during a nocturnal brain fart), and all of the other fortune-tellers, astrologers, numerologists, shamen, phrenologists, juju men, bone and entrial readers, tarot dealers, palmists, crystal ballers, ouji board surfers, end-times preachers, more palmists, and those who specialize in the observation of the soggy sludge found in the bottom a teacup. Et al.
Yup, they all missed it, although I have a sneaking suspision that the prophetcy will sooner or later be found in the gibberings of the late Nostradamus. But then, everything is, after the fact.....
But that's not the question I really want to ask, no, although it's a good one. The question is; how in the hell do these obvious frauds manage to keep a following when they should be starving to death for a lack of customers?
Did'ya ever hear the old saying of: once burned, twice cautious? It simply doesn't seem to apply here. I mean, these so-called psychics have missed every, single event of any note, every, single time. They were somulent before the planes crashed into the Twin Towers; they were out to lunch preceeding the Indian Ocean earthquake & tsunami; and they were silent as Katrina paused long enough to take a healthy piss on Flordia before dumping a load on the Gulf Coast.
And yet people keep coming back to them, happily parting with their money, and no amount pointing out the facts of the matter will discourage them in the least. I think that it has to do with dat ol' debbil: faith. When it comes to faith, no amount of education will daunt it, which is why it is called, right and proper, 'blind' faith. I can think of a few more, rather harsher terms for it.....
So, the question, at last, is: How do you make the intellectually blind see? A further question might be: how do these bumpkins manage to find their way to town, but we'll leave that one for another time.
I have no answer -- does, last question, anyone?
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pleco
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 Posted - 09/03/2005 : 04:16:59 [Permalink]
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| Along those lines, and I apologize if this is a bit cold but, shouldn't there be tons of ghost sightings in the area? |
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Ricky
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Dry_vby
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Posted - 09/03/2005 : 09:03:40 [Permalink]
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 09/03/2005 : 09:39:22 [Permalink]
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So, the question, at last, is: How do you make the intellectually blind see?
I tend to think it is more intellectual laziness than blindness. I have a hunch most of the blind would choose sight if they could. Believers could choose to think, but they don't. Belief in astrology, fortune telling, communicating with "the other side" (whatever the hell that is supposed to be), is so much easier than actually getting off your fat mental ass and investigating what actually has merit and what is, without a doubt, complete horseshit. How do you incite the lazy? I don't know. There may not be much hope for the vast majority of those already set in their believe-in-anything-as-long-as-it-makes-me-feel-good ways (because, after all, anything is possible, right?). I agree with Ricky. Try to prevent this disease in the first place with education. |
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Ricky
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Posted - 09/03/2005 : 16:33:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
So, the question, at last, is: How do you make the intellectually blind see?
I tend to think it is more intellectual laziness than blindness. I have a hunch most of the blind would choose sight if they could. Believers could choose to think, but they don't. Belief in astrology, fortune telling, communicating with "the other side" (whatever the hell that is supposed to be), is so much easier than actually getting off your fat mental ass and investigating what actually has merit and what is, without a doubt, complete horseshit. How do you incite the lazy? I don't know. There may not be much hope for the vast majority of those already set in their believe-in-anything-as-long-as-it-makes-me-feel-good ways (because, after all, anything is possible, right?). I agree with Ricky. Try to prevent this disease in the first place with education.
I agree with you to a point, but if you don't have access to something like skepticism, how are people supposed to practice it? Until I found this site, I had never even heard of skepticism, let alone there be an entire online community of skeptics.
But once one is lost to the dark side, they can (mostly) never come back. Reason never works on those who don't listen to it in the first place. |
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filthy
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Posted - 09/03/2005 : 17:12:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
Along those lines, and I apologize if this is a bit cold but, shouldn't there be tons of ghost sightings in the area?
All in due course, my friend, all in due course...
The professional ghost chasers haven't had time to gear up yet, and I'm sure that over the next few years, the likes of Edward and van Praagh will make a fortune from goulishly channeling the dead of New Orleans.
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pleco
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Posted - 09/04/2005 : 05:26:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
All in due course, my friend, all in due course...
The professional ghost chasers haven't had time to gear up yet, and I'm sure that over the next few years, the likes of Edward and van Praagh will make a fortune from goulishly channeling the dead of New Orleans.
That's true, but what I was thinking was this:
I think Storm said once that ghosts are causes by a traumatic death. If ghosts exist, then I can't think of a better way to provide evidence. There are so many that you think CNN would accidentally catch one.
Then again, the tsunami should have caused a plethora, but I haven't heard any reports of ghost sightings.
I imagine this is probably because of the media conspiracy with all the scientists to keep this information out of the mainstream, along with the moon landing hoax, Area 51, Miracles of god, cure for the common cold, ESP, etc..... |
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Maverick
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Posted - 09/04/2005 : 06:27:21 [Permalink]
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Without being a psychic, I predict that people will find the following during the rescue and clean up work:
- an intact Bible
- an American flag damaged in such a way it looks like there's a cross on it
- in a house, there will be a water damage stain that looks like Jesus
See? God really saved thousands of people, and he left his signature as well.
As for your questions, it is a bit strange that people believe in the self-proclaimed psychics. However, billions of people believe in at least one god, and many of them also believe that it's possible to talk to this god person. Sounds good, eh? Billions. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/04/2005 : 13:12:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Maverick
- in a house, there will be a water damage stain that looks like Jesus
You meant of course, a stain in the image of Virgin Mary, that will make thousands of followers go there to witness the miracle? |
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GeeMack
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Posted - 09/04/2005 : 13:36:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse...
You meant of course, a stain in the image of Virgin Mary, that will make thousands of followers go there to witness the miracle?
At least one vision of the Virgin Mary was seen before the disaster. And she was facing west, towards a cemetery... a prophesy for sure! From Science Daily on August 22, 2005...
Virgin Mary spotted on Big Easy Billboard
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Maverick
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Posted - 09/05/2005 : 11:09:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by Maverick
- in a house, there will be a water damage stain that looks like Jesus
You meant of course, a stain in the image of Virgin Mary, that will make thousands of followers go there to witness the miracle?
True, it's mostly the virgin Mary who makes appearances in stains and sandiwches. |
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moakley
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Posted - 09/05/2005 : 11:16:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Maverick
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by Maverick
- in a house, there will be a water damage stain that looks like Jesus
You meant of course, a stain in the image of Virgin Mary, that will make thousands of followers go there to witness the miracle?
True, it's mostly the virgin Mary who makes appearances in stains and sandiwches.
Agreed. Too easy to get images of Jesus confused with those of Frank Zappa. |
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Stargirl
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Posted - 09/05/2005 : 13:23:58 [Permalink]
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filthy said
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Did'ya ever hear the old saying of: once burned, twice cautious?
How about this quote?
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"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." George Bush September 17, 2002
But seriously just as people continue to believe in George Bush, people will continue to believe in these Woo-Woos rather than admit their heroes/idols are incompetent liars and fakes.
As far as ghosts are concerned have you ever noticed that most (all?) of the ghost sightings seem to be the spirits of whites? Considering the number of blacks that suffered violent deaths during slavery and well into the twentieth century I would think that if ghost did exist the tormented lingering spirits of those blacks should make up a large proportion of sightings at least in the south. Come to think of it the same could be said of Native Americans. How many ghost sighting have there been on the Trail of Tears or Wounded Knee? And is this lack of shall we say spirits of the minorities indicative of a racial bias among ghost hunters or is there something that precludes the spirits of minorities from hanging around here on earth?
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 09/05/2005 : 15:27:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Stargirl:
As far as ghosts are concerned have you ever noticed that most (all?) of the ghost sightings seem to be the spirits of whites? Considering the number of blacks that suffered violent deaths during slavery and well into the twentieth century I would think that if ghost did exist the tormented lingering spirits of those blacks should make up a large proportion of sightings at least in the south. Come to think of it the same could be said of Native Americans. How many ghost sighting have there been on the Trail of Tears or Wounded Knee? And is this lack of shall we say spirits of the minorities indicative of a racial bias among ghost hunters or is there something that precludes the spirits of minorities from hanging around here on earth?
It couldn't be that the minorities generally have less disposable income to throw at the frauds puprporting to contact the dearly departed, could it? |
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trishran
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Posted - 09/05/2005 : 21:33:52 [Permalink]
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| The thing I don't get is disaster survivors, when rescuers go to dangerous lengths to resuce them or bring them supplies,start thanking god. Does this not denegrate the efforts to the human who risked thier lives and ignored their own safety and comfort to help? I'd think, after having read huge chunks of the bible, that if God were involved, it would have been in the design and landfall of Katrina? It's like thanking a schoolyard bully after your friends pull him off of you. |
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