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Paulos23
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 10/27/2005 : 11:34:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by breakballs
Why didn't you throw water on the flames with Canadairs and helicopters used to extinguish the flames?
Didn't you have Canadairs and helicopters?
Manly because there are no helicopters with firefighting gear for fighting fires in buildings (I know there are once for forest fires, but that is a different animal). Even if their where, they would have been next to useless with a fire this size, given what they can carry. You would have have a small airforce of them to suppress it, and for that to exsist someone would have had to support them. Who would do that, the city? the state?
That is why there are sprinklers in buildings, it is the most cost effective and efficent way to put out commen fires. However, no one ever thought of a disaster like this hiting the building and severing the water lines. Some rethinking will be going on for future highrises.
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breakballs
Sockpuppet
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 11:51:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Paulos23
You would have have a small airforce of them to suppress it, and for that to exsist someone would have had to support them. Who would do that, the city? the state?
Then you are not the most powerful country in the world. You are a poor country with an incredible imbecile as leader.
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 12:05:31 [Permalink]
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I dont recall any of us stating that GWB was a one man firefighting guru.
At least GWB doesnt troll websites trying endlessly to piss off people he disagrees with and will never know. |
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 12:15:08 [Permalink]
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At least GWB doesnt troll websites trying endlessly to piss off people he disagrees with and will never know.
I don't know - some posters around here might be GWB you never know lol... |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 12:16:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by breakballs
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Extreme wind shifts and currents prevent helicopters from manuvering close to burning buildings of this size for fire suppression. I've had about enough of your pointless and unevidenced conjecture.
Look at images and movies of 9/11 attack.
There was no wind, don't talk nonsense.
And yet again, you project your talking nonsense onto us, bigbrain. Your knowledge of strong fire and it's effect on aircraft due to buffeting is woefully inadequate. I suppose I could leg down actual pictures and documentation to support this. But since you never have and dismiss any evidence that is presented to you to the contrary with handwaving, why should I bother.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 12:26:26 [Permalink]
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| Besides, I thought even idiots knew you don't throw water on burning fuel. Both petrol and kerosene are hydrophobic which means pouring some water on it will only make things worse. And remember, the planes carried tonnes of fuel. |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 12:36:47 [Permalink]
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Also as covered in another thread, extremely hot fires can break down H2O adding both oxygen and hydrogen fuel to a fire.
Also cover in other threads, the idiocy of BigBrain's plan to annoy skeptics. |
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"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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breakballs
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 12:43:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Both petrol and kerosene are hydrophobic which means pouring some water on it will only make things worse.
Your dog is hydrophobic, HA HA HA HA HA |
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breakballs
Sockpuppet
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 12:50:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
extremely hot fires can break down H2O adding both oxygen and hydrogen fuel to a fire.
Kerosene: only 900 °C, no "extremely hot fires" |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 12:51:17 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by breakballs
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Both petrol and kerosene are hydrophobic which means pouring some water on it will only make things worse.
Your dog is hydrophobic, HA HA HA HA HA
You just don't have any intelligence at all, do you. You oftentimes go hungry in the morning because your breakfast cereal outsmarts you. You're often times bothered by the police whistle-like sound eminating from your head when you stand crosswise in a breeze.
Instead of dealing with facts and evidence, you merely offer rude condescension. And then issue a laugh in large type to show your disdain for scientifically sound claims.
How sad. And then you call us buffoons and idiots. Given your track record here, why should that be particularly damning? Heck, why do I even bother anymore? |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 13:00:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Also as covered in another thread, extremely hot fires can break down H2O adding both oxygen and hydrogen fuel to a fire.
Also cover in other threads, the idiocy of BigBrain's plan to annoy skeptics.
And water won't quench any magnesium that the aircraft might contain. Indeed, it burns as well under water as it does in air.
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breakballs
Sockpuppet
53 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2005 : 13:02:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Instead of dealing with facts and evidence
The evidence is that one Boeing can destroy not even my building 5 floors high. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2005 : 13:25:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by breakballs
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Instead of dealing with facts and evidence
The evidence is that one Boeing can destroy not even my building 5 floors high.
At a couple hundred MPH, it'd swat you like a bug, bro; swat you like a bug.
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Hawks
SFN Regular
Canada
1383 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2005 : 14:50:04 [Permalink]
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| Actually, I'm the best helicopter pilot in the world. I was brilliant at "Choplifter" for my Vic-20. Confute that! |
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 10/27/2005 : 15:00:33 [Permalink]
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| Choplifter rules. |
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