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 Posted - 10/11/2005 : 03:12:06 [Permalink]
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Oy veh, so many words in such tiny font. I cut and pasted it into a Reply, then Previewed it -- the only way for ancient eyeballs peering blearly from behind cheap specticles to read it.
Interesting text, though. It seems to pretty much cover a skeptic's phiosophy. For example, I am an atheist, but I'll concede that although the evidence is not there, there exists a chance that there is some sort of supreme being floating around somewhere. As to it having any influence on our increasingly shabby, little planet, that's another matter.
Which brings up the question of: if the ToE is disproven, does it mean that one or more of the various gods worshiped by millions is responsible for human origins? The answer is: certainly not. As there is no proof for God, it follows that there might well be no proof for some other, natural force. At least, not yet.
Fortunatly, or otherwise depending upon how you look at it, the Theory of Evolution is so well supported by emperical evidence that it is highly unlikely for it to be disproved, the bullshit from the ID creationists not withdtanding.
Hominid evolution's family tree, or rather; tangled bush, becomes better documented every day and the Cretaceous Kitty has yet to be found.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/11/2005 : 08:17:48 [Permalink]
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| Huh. An article in which the problems of false dichotomies are discussed, without once mentioning the term "false dichotomy." Kinda rambles, too. |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/11/2005 : 16:34:55 [Permalink]
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I really liked that paragraph from Hume on miracles:
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David Hume (1711-1776): The plain consequence is (and it is a general maxim worthy of our attention), “That no testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of a such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous than the fact which endeavors to establish.” When anyone tells me that he saw a dead man restored to life, I immediately consider with myself whether it be more probable, that this person should either deceive or be deceived, or that the fact, which he relates, should really have happened. I weigh the one miracle against the other; and according to the superiority, which I discover, I pronounce my decision, and always reject the greater miracle. If the falsehood of his testimony would be more miraculous than the event which he relates; then, and not till then, can he pretend to command my belief or opinion. ([1758] 1952, p. 491)
But I also got the impression from the article that the author feels Intelligent Design is the middle ground between the "creationism/evolution" dichotomy. Uh-uh. ID is creationism.
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| Edited by - H. Humbert on 10/11/2005 16:37:48 |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/11/2005 : 19:38:59 [Permalink]
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Well, it's clear that the author finds a universe without a god to be more "miraculous" than a universe with a god. Since that god probably did something, why not ID? Maybe he's only talking "cosmological ID," in which the "design" is only purported to be in the laws of physics. Who knows? The author's position is not clearly articulated.
But he did choose CRe8 ("create") as a user name here on the SFN. What does that tell us? |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/11/2005 : 19:51:54 [Permalink]
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Ah, I didn't realize the poster and the author of the article were the same person. Well, if his other threads are any gauge, CRe8's position on ID will remain unclear, as it seems he never returns to answer criticisms or questions on the articles he posts.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie |
| Edited by - H. Humbert on 10/11/2005 19:52:35 |
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