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Dave W.
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H. Humbert
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 Posted - 10/22/2005 : 18:51:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
I'll also need more evidence to believe the black and white duplex photo presented above is the real deal, mainly for the hair part discrepancy I mentioned. I've been working with Photoshop and other photo manipulation software for years, and although that composite looks pretty good, I'm not yet convinced. Faking it wouldn't be beyond the ability of any reasonably competent computer imaging technician.
The B&W one looks very fake to me. The radial blend in the background is definitely a Photoshop effect. Forget the hair part, it just looks off. Something about the way his hand is holding the sign.
I'm guessing someone did it as a joke, much like this one.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/22/2005 : 18:59:15 [Permalink]
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H., I see that "radial blend" on my wife's computer with its 256-color graphics (for the kid's games), but on my machine (in 32-bit color) it's not there at all.
Now that you mention his hand, however, it's obvious that his thumb and forefinger are off the top of the sign. I've held thing in my hand without using my thumb and forefinger, but I doubt it would look like I was trying to use those two digits (as it does in that photo). |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/22/2005 : 19:39:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
H., I see that "radial blend" on my wife's computer with its 256-color graphics (for the kid's games), but on my machine (in 32-bit color) it's not there at all.
Even without the banding, it's still a PS effect. (I'm assuming you mean the banding, right? Or are you saying the background is actually monochromatic?) What natural light source produces a shadow like that? If it were a booking station, the lights would be over his head, or at the very least shining into his face. These photos have dark shadows in the top corners that gradually get lighter as you move away from that point in all directions. That would mean light source(s) would have to be on the floor, which doesn't match the shadow under his chin. At the very least, the backgrounds have to be digitially altered.
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Now that you mention his hand, however, it's obvious that his thumb and forefinger are off the top of the sign. I've held thing in my hand without using my thumb and forefinger, but I doubt it would look like I was trying to use those two digits (as it does in that photo).
Yeah, who doesn't use their index finger when grasping things? I don't know, the whole thing just looks off to me.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/22/2005 : 20:34:23 [Permalink]
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Actually, H., those background effects are often sought (using lots of different lights) in professional portraits. My current hypothesis is that these are two different professional photos taken at two different times (as well as the different part in the hair, note the thing hanging from the lapel pin in the right-hand photo which is missing from the left). Perhaps the only parts done with PhotoShop are the hand and sign (the sign seems to be perfectly horizontal, what a steady hand DeLay must have!), and the merging of the two pictures. Perhaps turning them grayscale, too.
Of course, Google is not being my friend right now and dishing up the corroborating evidence easily. |
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GeeMack
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Posted - 10/22/2005 : 21:02:21 [Permalink]
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Okay, Tom DeLay turned himself in at Harris County, Texas. The questionable mug shot shown previously in this thread shows Travis County, Texas on the sign. That would be incorrect. Travis County is where the charges against DeLay were filed by prosecutor, Ronnie Earle.
By the way, these aren't the only fake mug shots of The Hammer. In fact there's an entire web site already up and running under the name of Fake DeLay Mugshot. Go see. It's bound to get bigger fast. 
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Trish
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Posted - 10/22/2005 : 21:24:07 [Permalink]
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| That and if you look at the hand, the elbow would have to be about halfway across the body to hold that sign. It doesn't match with the rest of the image. I've used PS also, it's difficult to put together the composits so they look real. |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/22/2005 : 21:29:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
By the way, these aren't the only fake mug shots of The Hammer. In fact there's an entire web site already up and running under the name of Fake DeLay Mugshot. Go see. It's bound to get bigger fast.
Nice find, G-man.
I can see now what you're saying about the background looking smooth, Dave, but I have to strongly disagree with you on your assessment of it. That's a fake fill if I ever saw one. No doubt about it. You can even see the distortion line running all the way around DeLay where they cut him out and pasted in the new background. Perhaps I just have an eye for this type of thing. I was using Photoshop nearly every day at my old job. You work with something that often and you can just sort of spot it.
Here's one I did in about 5 minutes just to give you an idea.
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"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Trish
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Posted - 10/22/2005 : 22:15:00 [Permalink]
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| A bit of a gaussian blur on the edges would soften that enough that you really would have to look, unless you know what you're looking for. |
...no one has ever found a 4.5 billion year old stone artifact (at the right geological stratum) with the words "Made by God."
No Sense of Obligation by Matt Young
"Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying and vile!"
Mother Night by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
They (Women Marines) don't have a nickname, and they don't need one. They get their basic training in a Marine atmosphere, at a Marine Post. They inherit the traditions of the Marines. They are Marines.
LtGen Thomas Holcomb, USMC
Commandant of the Marine Corps, 1943
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/22/2005 : 22:17:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Trish
A bit of a gaussian blur on the edges would soften that enough that you really would have to look, unless you know what you're looking for.
Yeah, and it would have helped if I had a higher resolution photo.
Just squint your eyes for this little experiment. 
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie |
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filthy
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Posted - 10/23/2005 : 00:27:12 [Permalink]
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Just came off a search and found nothing except the smirking photo that, unless they do things a lot differently in TX, looks as phony as you can get.
Agree that the b & w shot is probably shopped and Bartcop got taken in (and pretty much myself as well, but in my defense, I know nothing of photo-shopping).
Now it seems that DeLay's lawyers are trying to get a new judge due to the current one having donated to the <gasp> Democrats. There is so much wriggling around -- attacking the prosecuter and now the judge -- that I wonder if DeLay actually has a genuine defense.
Curiouser and curiouser, and getting to be fun to watch.
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Randy
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Posted - 10/23/2005 : 04:57:42 [Permalink]
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From a local Austin Statesman columnist....
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http://www.statesman.com/metrostate/content/metro/stories/10/23kelso.html |
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Trish
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Posted - 10/23/2005 : 11:13:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by Trish
A bit of a gaussian blur on the edges would soften that enough that you really would have to look, unless you know what you're looking for.
Yeah, and it would have helped if I had a higher resolution photo.
Just squint your eyes for this little experiment.
Eh, just compress it to a jpeg again, once the lossy information is there, you'd almost never know. Better than a gradient background, find a pick of some moron who's been arrested, cut out said moron, insert bigger moron. Hmm, make sure shodows all match, or create your own shadows. Should take a good 10-15 hours to make a pick that is fairly indistinguishable from reality. Just have to have everything distorted enough that it looks real. I really need to get my hands on PhotoShop again. |
...no one has ever found a 4.5 billion year old stone artifact (at the right geological stratum) with the words "Made by God."
No Sense of Obligation by Matt Young
"Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying and vile!"
Mother Night by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
They (Women Marines) don't have a nickname, and they don't need one. They get their basic training in a Marine atmosphere, at a Marine Post. They inherit the traditions of the Marines. They are Marines.
LtGen Thomas Holcomb, USMC
Commandant of the Marine Corps, 1943
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 10/24/2005 : 00:22:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
...I wonder if DeLay actually has a genuine defense.
Delay's 2 defenses, he had nothing to do with the decision making and the financial manipulations did not technically break the law.
There have been rumors there is evidence Delay gave the Rep Party a list of the Texas candidates who were specifically to get the laundered money.
He may be in for a big surprise when all the posturing he's doing now is to no avail. But it is pretty disgusting to hear them manipulate the facts over and over. Instead of gerrymandering the Texas legislature, Delay claims he was just correcting the gerrymandering of the Democrats from the past. If that were the case then the districts should look pretty normal. If not the districts will look very contorted.
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 10/24/2005 : 00:39:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
Instead of gerrymandering the Texas legislature, Delay claims he was just correcting the gerrymandering of the Democrats from the past. If that were the case then the districts should look pretty normal. If not the districts will look very contorted.
Let me check on that.
I can't make heads nor tails of it at this hour. This site looks to be Republican sponsored so I have no clue if the facts are legit. And I can't tell which are the old districts and which are the changed ones. |
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