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filthy
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 Posted - 11/21/2005 : 12:16:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
Originally posted by furshur
Damn, Bulbous Cranium, do a little work yourself.
YOU must demonstrate the Venus - Venus - Earth flyby utility.
First of all this drawing is wrong
18 August 1999 - 30 December 2000
30 December 2000 - 1 July 2004
The same trajectory in so different times?
Indeed. I think that you will find the following to be correct without flaw:
The Paper Nautilus
by Marianne Moore
For authorities whose hopes
are shaped by mercenaries?
Writers entrapped by
teatime fame and by
commuters' comforts? Not for these
the paper nautilus
constructs her thin glass shell.
Giving her perishable
souvenir of hope, a dull
white outside and smooth-
edged inner surface
glossy as the sea, the watchful
maker of it guards it
day and night; she scarcely
eats until the eggs are hatched.
Buried eight-fold in her eight
arms, for she is in
a sense a devil-
fish, her glass ram'shorn-cradled freight
is hid but is not crushed;
as Hercules, bitten
by a crab loyal to the hydra,
was hindered to succeed,
the intensively
watched eggs coming from
the shell free it when they are freed,--
leaving its wasp-nest flaws
of white on white, and close-
laid Ionic chiton-folds
like the lines in the mane of
a Parthenon horse,
round which the arms had
wound themselves as if they knew love
is the only fortress
strong enough to trust to.
There. See how easy it becomes when you study the subject? You might start here with A paper nautilus primer. Soon, all will become clear.
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pleco
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Posted - 11/21/2005 : 13:05:20 [Permalink]
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No, WE don't.
Please provide a drawing with your paths, dates, and speeds so we can compare. |
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bigbrain
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Posted - 11/21/2005 : 13:13:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
There. See how easy it becomes when you study the subject? You might start here with A paper nautilus primer. Soon, all will become clear.
You want to avoid my questions with your irony because you can't confute my reasonings.
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pleco
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Posted - 11/21/2005 : 13:15:00 [Permalink]
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bigbrain
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Posted - 11/21/2005 : 13:30:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
Please provide a drawing with your paths, dates, and speeds so we can compare.
YOU MUST PROVIDE the proof of Venus - Venus - Earth - Jupiter flyby utility.
YOU MUST PROVIDE velocities after each flyby to demonstrate their utility.
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Fripp
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Posted - 11/21/2005 : 13:30:50 [Permalink]
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Sorry, but is you who are avoiding the questions. Your "reasonings" (to use the term VERY loosely) have been soundly and repeatedly confuted, time after time after time after time after....
YOU MUST answer this question before we go any further: Are there satellites in Earth orbit?
If you fail to answer this question, YOU will be exposed (again) as a fraud, a witless rube, and a colossal waste of time and air. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/21/2005 : 13:47:18 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by bigbrain
Originally posted by filthy
There. See how easy it becomes when you study the subject? You might start here with A paper nautilus primer. Soon, all will become clear.
You want to avoid my questions with your irony because you can't confute my reasonings.
Thus far, you have put forth no reasonings. Sorry to break this to you, but handwaving and unsupported bordering-upon-gibberish claims are not reasoning. Also, you have been confuted beyond end through many threads.
I just sort's figgered I'd do a little humor and some natural history, and perhaps add a bit value to this one.
Did you know that Speedy Gonzalas cartoons are no lomger shown in the US?
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bigbrain
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Posted - 11/21/2005 : 14:23:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Fripp
Sorry, but is you who are avoiding the questions. Your "reasonings" (to use the term VERY loosely) have been soundly and repeatedly confuted, time after time after time after time after....
You have never confuted my reasonings and even now you are avoiding to answer my questions because you don't know what to say in front of the evidence
The probe, starting from the Earth, has already the velocity of 65,000 miles per hour (Earth's velocity).
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Randy
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Posted - 11/21/2005 : 17:05:55 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by bigbrain
The probe, starting from the Earth, has already the velocity of 65,000 miles per hour (Earth's velocity).[/b]
So what. That's only relative to the sun. The spacecraft's speed, relative to earth, would be zero. Here's a pertainent question for you...What was Saturn's speed relative to Earth's at time of launch? Give us your own data, calculations on why you're correct and JPL is wrong. (Cassini, in case you don't know, has been in orbit around Saturn these past several months).
Tell us, oh master of physics and trajectory science, why are you bothering us and not JPL or NASA since they're the "buffoons"?
Bigbrain, take note of the "gravity assist" link in the photo caption link below....
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Posted - 11/21/2005 : 17:13:26 [Permalink]
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 11/21/2005 : 18:18:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bigbrain
After the boost how much velocity?[/b]
That would depend on what point of reference you want to use. |
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bigbrain
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Posted - 11/22/2005 : 11:46:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Randy
Give us your own data, calculations on why you're correct and JPL is wrong.
Cassini would have been able to fly along the last trajectory travelling for less than 1,000,000,000 miles.
65,000 miles per hour (earth velocity) + 10,000 miles per hour (spacecraft's velocity) = 75,000 miles per hour
1,000,000,000 miles : 365 days : 24 hours : 75,000 miles per hour = 1.5 years
If NASA engineers had considered the earth's velocity, Cassini would have been able to meet Saturn in one year and a half!
(Cassini, in case you don't know, has been in orbit around Saturn these past several months).
Yes, with Softimage
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 11/22/2005 : 12:09:07 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by bigbrain
Cassini would have been able to fly along the last trajectory travelling for less than 1,000,000,000 miles.
65,000 miles per hour (earth velocity) + 10,000 miles per hour (spacecraft's velocity) = 75,000 miles per hour
1,000,000,000 miles : 365 days : 24 hours : 75,000 miles per hour = 1.5 years
If NASA engineers had considered the earth's velocity, Cassini would have been able to meet Saturn in one year and a half!
Yes, it could, if you strap a big enough rocket onto Cassini.
But big rockets are too expensive, and you need an even bigger launch-vehicle for the bigger rocket which is even more expensive. The launch cost rises exponentially with the size of the rocket on the Cassini.
Instead of costing 3,3 Billion Dollars, it would probably have costed 15 billion Dollars, maybe more to build a rocket big enough to fly Cassini to Saturn via the shortest rout. |
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bigbrain
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Posted - 11/22/2005 : 12:44:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Yes, it could, if you strap a big enough rocket onto Cassini.
But big rockets are too expensive, and you need an even bigger launch-vehicle for the bigger rocket which is even more expensive. The launch cost rises exponentially with the size of the rocket on the Cassini.
Instead of costing 3,3 Billion Dollars, it would probably have costed 15 billion Dollars, maybe more to build a rocket big enough to fly Cassini to Saturn via the shortest rout.
Don't say craps. NASA buffoons did not need a bigger rocket.
If you run away from the sun directly towards Saturn at 75,000 miles per hour, you don't need bigger fuel than that you need to turn two times round the sun wasting time uselessly.
NASA buffoons want to swindle us with their strange trajectories taken from science fiction.
They want to simulate to make complex calculations of orbital mechanics but they are only swindlers that have not technology to steer a probe to Saturn.
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Subjectmatter
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Posted - 11/22/2005 : 12:55:11 [Permalink]
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I have a question for you sestet-b, do you honestly think that NASA's engineers, astronomers and mathematicians would miss that solution if it were viable? Do you really believe that you know more than this legion of people each and every one of which knows infinately more about the subject than you do?
Are you trying to imply that astro-physics and rocket science is easy? That if they just sat down and thought it through they wouldn't need more than an uneducated helicopter pilot from Italy in order to get the probe to Cassini?
What hubris! It is disgusting! Your words are an insult to every single physicist since Newton and every rocket scientist since that crazy chinese dude who strapped himself to fireworks. A myriad of lives have been devoted to studying what you so callously dismiss out of hand. Every time you type something I become more and more convinced that you don't believe what you say at all but trollishly continue to say it just because it is so very very offensive.
[EDIT] And it requires very little fuel to lie in an orbit around the sun. None in fact, once you're there. |
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