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furshur
SFN Regular
USA
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 Posted - 11/01/2005 : 12:25:07 [Permalink]
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Idiot.......
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If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know. |
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Paulos23
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 11/01/2005 : 12:29:50 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by breakballs
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Originally posted by Maverick
You seem very convinced that no one has ever travelled in space. Is this something you have decided just because, or do you have a reason to believe that spaceflight is a big hoax?
When can you say a spacecraft is in space?
Nice way to advoid the question. It still stands though. |
You can go wrong by being too skeptical as readily as by being too trusting. -- Robert A. Heinlein
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley |
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sts60
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 11/01/2005 : 15:12:34 [Permalink]
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Paulos, the generally accepted definition of where "space" starts is 100 km altitude, although an older U.S. definition is 80 km altitude. Objects on ballistic trajectories into space (e.g., the first Mercury flight, sounding rockets, and the recent SpaceShipOne flights) are easily tracked via radar and radiotransponder to verify their altitude. If one takes "in space" to mean actually orbiting the Earth, then thousands of such objects are tracked by NORAD radar (and presumably other nations' as well). But you can also observe hundreds of satellites with the naked eye at night, and use these observations to calculate (or verify) their orbital parameters, using equations of motions derived centuries ago.
Or you can simply ask someone who has satellite TV. If you want to see more precisely where a geosynchronous satellite is, ask someone with a C-band antenna (one of the bigger backyard dishes).
The short version is: we know exactly when a spacecraft is in space. |
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Paulos23
Skeptic Friend
USA
446 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2005 : 15:30:41 [Permalink]
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Sorry, guess I should have made myself clear. How is determining when a spacecraft is in space relevent to Maverick's question to BB about whether or not he believes spacecraft are faked?
Edit: I jut figured out the relevence, never mind. |
You can go wrong by being too skeptical as readily as by being too trusting. -- Robert A. Heinlein
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley |
| Edited by - Paulos23 on 11/01/2005 15:46:26 |
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breakballs
Sockpuppet
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Posted - 11/02/2005 : 04:48:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Paulos23
Sorry, guess I should have made myself clear. How is determining when a spacecraft is in space relevent to Maverick's question to BB about whether or not he believes spacecraft are faked?
The Chinese go to space in our TV time but they don't film anything, the start, the re-entry, the Earth like NASA buffoons when didn't go to the moon.
The Chinese are destroying our economies because they copy our products and sell them at lowest prices.
They have copied NASA buffoons style also in their enterprise in space.
We will never see the most exciting moments of their enterprise because it's another big hoax like your never happened landings on the moon, on Mars, on Titan and so on.
Try to understand: rockets can't land going backwards using their engines as a brake and can't brake in space retro burning.
These are biggest craps
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furshur
SFN Regular
USA
1536 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2005 : 06:17:05 [Permalink]
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idiot.....
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If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 11/02/2005 : 07:05:03 [Permalink]
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| Boooring... |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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Scotty
New Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/02/2005 : 07:29:34 [Permalink]
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Shouting the same nonsense repeatedly does not make you right ... sorry - you seemed to have missed that lesson ...
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"Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!" -
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
385 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2005 : 10:12:29 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by breakballs
The Chinese are destroying our economies because they copy our products and sell them at lowest prices.
Except when it's the Western companies relocating the production to China.
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They have copied NASA buffoons style also in their enterprise in space.
Actually, their spacecrafts are based on Soviet/Russian space technology.
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We will never see the most exciting moments of their enterprise because it's another big hoax like your never happened landings on the moon, on Mars, on Titan and so on.
I'm pretty sure that China is taking the first steps right now with the goal to land on the Moon. Also, we all know that USA, ESA and Russia have landed on various worlds: Venus, the Moon, Mars and Titan. There is no reason to doubt it.
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Try to understand: rockets can't land going backwards using their engines as a brake and can't brake in space retro burning.
Rockets are being used for course corrections, altitude and attitude control, and to slow down during descent. I'm not sure why this should be impossible.
But, I'm guessing you're saying all these things for your own amusement, so perhaps I shouldn't take any of it seriously. |
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan |
| Edited by - Maverick on 11/02/2005 10:13:23 |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/02/2005 : 11:31:12 [Permalink]
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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furshur
SFN Regular
USA
1536 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2005 : 12:05:12 [Permalink]
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Pretty convincing Filthy, but howabout this:
Nikto, barometer.. no barium... no wait FZZZZZT
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If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 11/02/2005 : 12:42:57 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by furshur
Pretty convincing Filthy, but howabout this:
Nikto, barometer.. no barium... no wait FZZZZZT
Wooohooo! Rocketship babes. Right on, furshur! |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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sts60
Skeptic Friend
141 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2005 : 12:50:40 [Permalink]
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Klaatu... Barata... N(cough, cough)...
(Looks around)
OK, then! I guess I said it!
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Hawks
SFN Regular
Canada
1383 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2005 : 13:31:15 [Permalink]
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| Your rocketship babe picture must be faked furshur. Notice how the horizon isn't horizontal and the vanishing point ends to the left in the picture. "Rocketship babes like chinese buffoons". |
METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL
It's a small, off-duty czechoslovakian traffic warden! |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2005 : 14:30:08 [Permalink]
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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